PC Minutes 2005-09-20CALL TO ORDER - The Arroyo Grande Planning Commission met in regular session with
Chair Brown presiding; also present were Commissioners Fellows, Parker and Tait. Staff
members in attendance were City Attorney, Tim Carmel, Acting Community Development
Director, Kelly Heffernon, Associate Planner, Teresa McClish, Assistant Planner, Ryan
Foster and Public Works Engineer Victor Devens.
AGENDA REVIEW: No Changes.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: None.
A. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS: None.
MINUTES
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SEPTEMBER 20, 2005
6:00 P.M.
B. WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS:
1. Additional Consent Agenda item: Architectural Review 05 -012, located at 102 East
Branch Street: New wood - framed glass doors approved at the ARC meeting of
September 12, 2005.
II.
A. CONSENT AGENDA AND ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS SINCE SEPTEMBER 6,
2005:
Case No.
1.
2.
TUP 05 -018
ARC 05 -012
App.
Five Cities
Vineyard Church
Owner
Address
1052 E.
Grand Ave
102 E.
Branch
)escnption
Anniversary Celebration for
Five Cities Vineyard Church
New wood - framed glass
doors — in place of display
window.
Action
A
A.
Planner "'
R. Foster
J. Bergman
The Commission had no concerns with consent items 1 & 2.
Commissioner Tait made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Parker to approve consent
items 1 & 2. The motion was unanimously passed by a 4/0 voice vote.
III. PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS:
Commissioner Tait asked to be excused from the next item due to the fact that he owned
property within 300 feet of the site.
A. CONTINUED FROM JUNE 7, 2005 MEETING: VESTING TENTATIVE TRACT MAP
CASE NO. 01 -001, PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT CASE NO. 01 -001, LOT LINE
ADJUSTMENT CASE NO. 01 -002 (PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AS TRACT 1998);
APPLICANT — TAOS HOLDING CORPORATION /CASTLEROCK DEVELOPMENT;
LOCATION — NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE INTERSECTION OF JAMES WAY
AND LA CANADA.
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Ms. McClish presented the staff report for continued consideration of a residential
subdivision for twenty -one (21) clustered lots and one (1) open space parcel on
approximately 26.6 acres. Ms. McClish then highlighted the specific CEQA findings that
related to issues of concern in accordance with the discussion from June 7, 2005 meeting
and that were contained in Exhibit `A' of the June 7 staff report:
• Impact B2 — for Biological Resources
• Impact B3 — related to Oak Tree Removal
• Impact B4 - Pismo Clarkia
• Statement of Overriding Considerations
Additionally, minor revisions were made to Exhibit 'D' the Conditions of Approval,
recommended by staff and discussed with the applicant. Accordingly, there are proposed
minor changes to Exhibit `E', the Mitigation, Monitoring & Reporting Program.
The recommendation from the June 7, 2005 hearing is that the Commission consider the
CEQA findings in both Exhibit `A" (draft findings for the Resolution) and the findings in the
Resolution for the Vesting Tentative Tract Map and Planned Unit Development and direct
staff regarding any modifications for a recommendation to City Council on the project.
Chair Brown announced that the City Attorney, Tim Carmel was present.
Commission Parker asked staff for clarification on the following:
• Exhibit D, (Conditions of Approval) Page 2, the affordable housing in -lieu fee
requirement. Ms. McClish: This project will consist of single - family residential units
and is only subject to pay an in -lieu fee (per the 1990 General Plan).
• Exhibit D, Page 14, City inspection of required improvement. What construction
would require this? Mr. Devens: Any and all construction activities; this is a
standard agreement that grants us access to the site during construction.
• Page 15, No. 121, all improvements shall be fully constructed and accepted by City?
Mr. Devens: All improvements that the City will own, such as water, sewer etc. shall
be inspected before the last 10% of the units is accepted.
• Page 13, No. 96, shall submit a document regarding the effectiveness of the
unauthorized drain line installed on the northeast boundary of the property. Ms.
McClish: This was included to make sure there would be no impacts from this drain
line with this project.
• Page 19, Mitigations Measures, conditions of approval, on this addendum "a Native
American shall monitor all activity ", but it has been crossed out. Ms. McClish: A
change is being proposed to require a Phase 11 information testing program to give
more information regarding potential areas of impact and additional
recommendations of which the applicant is subject and which still may include
having a Native American present at all earth moving activities. At a minimum there
would be an archeologist present at all times.
Chair Brown opened the hearing for public comment.
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Dennis Law, attorney for Castlerock Development, stated a concern that the collective
impact of all the mitigation measures would result in no project and this would be a finding
of infeasibility related to project objectives; explained his statement at June 7, 2005 meeting
on the requirements of State law regarding housing units that cross all economic lines.
Commissioner Fellows asked to see the map of the 25 -foot setbacks compared to the 50-
foot setbacks. Ms. McClish said she would address this when she could locate the
respective map.
Karin Groteluschen, 649 Asilo, had concern that the conditions of approval mandated by
City Council with approval of the revised EIR, were not being met with this project with
regard to 50 -foot setbacks from Pismo Clarkia and riparian areas; she urged the
Commission to recommend denial of the proposal.
Joel Kauser, 707 Asilo, stated concern with the entrance to the proposal being too close to
the monument sign for the Highlands; believed the entrance road for the project should line
up with Rosemary Court; had concern that the house and property to the east of the
entrance would be sitting on the well head.
Richard Nutting, 444 La Canada, had concern that the conditions of approval were not
addressing the HOA; there were no mitigation measures included for this.
Mr. Law addressed Mr. Nutting's concern re the HOA; stated the CC &R's allow for the City
to have direct enforcement over the HOA and is a project requirement.
Chair Brown closed the hearing for public comment.
Ms. McClish also addressed Mr. Nutting's concerns with the road alignment, explaining that
it had been modified due to environmental constraints; discussed Commissioner Fellow's
concern regarding the 25 -foot setbacks and the feasibility of the project; stated there would
still be Class 1 impacts and the findings would still have to be made.
Chair Brown closed the hearing for public comment.
Commission discussion followed regarding the process for considering the findings. Mr.
Carmel clarified for the Commission that if the required findings for CEQA Guidelines
Section 15091 cannot be made then the project cannot be approved unless Overriding
Considerations can be made (CEQA 15093).
Commission comments followed:
Commissioner Parker went into the issues in detail regarding biological resources and
public services concerning the project which supported why she could not make the
required findings (CEQA Guidelines Section 15091):
Impact B2, Biological Resources:
• Exhibit F (FSEIR) Addendum): As proposed the project improvements adjacent to
the east fork of Meadow Creek do not allow for the adequate mitigation of biological
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resources and the resulting impacts (significant and unavoidable) because once
wetland has been removed it is irreplaceable.
• Exhibit F, refers to Tots 10, 12, 15 & 16, as being partially impacted so should be
listed.
• Exhibit A, 5.2.1, page 20 under Findings, disagrees with argument that because
there is less loss to the project it is a better project, therefore changes and
alterations are less than significant is not true; it does not mean there is no
significant damage or impact to the Federally protected biological resources.
• Exhibit F, the addendum, states the level of impact would remain essentially the
same as for the original proposed project and agree that it is potentially unmitigable
without removal of relocation of specific lots particularly 9, 20 & 21.
Mitigations:
• Page 21 EIR addendum, No 1: the phrase "if feasible" needs to be eliminated in
order to be a mitigation.
• Page 21, Nos. 1 & 3, the mitigations discuss only the impacts of the building
footprints and do not include impacts in the riparian and wetland areas lost due to
grading due to building of roadways.
• Exhibit A, page 21 No. 4, Weed Abatement Program, states this is the responsibility
of the HOA, but is not included in the HOA as being a specific program; it should
also be made clear that no herbicides are to be used within a riparian area.
• Paragraph 2, regarding access to riparian setback area, the word "should" should be
replaced with the word "must "; also minimizing road width should be part of this
project.
B3 — Impact to Oak Trees, Exhibit F:
• 1,260 oak trees on site and performance bond is not adequate or effective.
• Minimize road width to be sensitive to oak habitat and go around oak trees and
canopies.
B4 — Impact on Site Specific Pismo Clarkia, Class 1, is significant but unavoidable:
• Avoidance of Pismo Clarkia is not shown and therefore remains a Class 1; relocation
is not a mitigation, but an enhancement (it has never been proven that this will work);
Exhibit F (CEQA) Page 19, No. 1 states "if feasible" — in order for this to be a
mitigation it should be deleted; the setback should not only refer to the building
footprint, but to everything, the roadway, retaining walls, grading, herbicide runoff,
runoff of siltation and fire protection areas to be effective.
Agency Permit Compliance:
• Rincon response states: "The success of the mitigation and monitoring plan is
speculative and it's goal potentially cannot be met; the implementation of the
required mitigation measures would not reduce impacts to a less than significant
level unless avoidance is assured by project alternatives ".
• Believed that there are project alternatives that could avoid the Clarkia, provide
buffers and mitigate the problem, but this project does not do that.
B5 — loss of wildlife habitat (listed as Class 2 significant but mitigable) Exhibit F (Revised
EIR addendum):
• Page 22, states "the impact would reduce the population and available habitat of
wildlife in general including special status species "; mitigation of roadways that is
mentioned will lesson the impact, but the impact will remain and therefore will
remain a Class 1.
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• Under Loss of Wildlife Habitat — herbicide flow into the creek; mitigation measures
keeping flow into the creek are good measures, but need to be extended — should
be listed in the HOA; homes would have to be kept at a good buffer zone to keep
the herbicides and pesticides from running off into the protected areas; page 3 has
an excellent pesticide control program on page 33 of the HOA, but there is nothing
on weed abatement; when homeowners build they need to understand that they can
only build according to their personal and environmental constraints.
• Exhibit A, 5.2.3, page 27, regarding the impact to the wildlife corridor and the fact
that the entire site acts as a wildlife corridor and facilitates wildlife movement from
upland areas through the more urbanized downstream reaches of the meadow
creek system; Ms. Parker stated that this corridor is extremely important to this area
and needs to be maintained; "special status wildlife" states that if they are present
they are also likely to be impacted by direct and indirect activities of the project;
therefore I believe the loss of wildlife habitat is a Class 1; do not believe that this has
been mitigated.
G4 Slope Stability Hazard, Class 2:
• The project is as proposed creates a hazard including it's emergency access road
that has not been looked at yet; the fact that it has steep slopes in excess of 20%
makes it a Class 1, regarding not only erosion and siltation but also pesticide and
herbicide runoff into the creek; it also affects H1 (which is hydrology and water
quality).
PS2 A Fire and Vegetation Plan:
• Exhibit A in effect states that the occupants are not to clear any of their boundaries
in the native habitat area; the riparian buffer (in CEQA) is suggested to be 50 feet
and should not be in the fire protection area and according to Exhibit A, page 28,
states vegetation management would potentially involve removal of some if not all of
the vegetation within thirty (30) feet of the structure; therefore these two statements
go against one another; California Resource Code 4219 requires clearance of
flammable vegetation for a distance of 30 -100 feet around a structure located in a
fire hazard area (according to our Fire Department this is considered a fire hazard
area); mitigation measure PS1 requires 30 feet clearance minimum requirement for
fire safety; therefore, the combined 25 -foot setback for the project is not going to
work. In addition, the mitigation measure itself can cause impact to the riparian
habitat because fire protection is going to require homeowners to do weed
abatement and remove the riparian habitat — so PS2A is an issue.
• David Chipping, Conservation Director of the California Plant Society, page 87, of
the 2004 CEQA review, states the 25 foot setbacks are insufficient for vegetation
management for fire control and should not be taking place within protected
ecosystems or areas in which mitigation planting has taken place — this conflict
needs to be addressed.
In regard to Ms. Parker's comments, Ms. McClish explained that the Fire Protection Plan
and Pismo Clarkia Plan set up in the Mitigation & Monitoring Plan, CC &R's and Design
Manuel, lays out measures both to protect plants and maintain fire protection. These
requirements are flushed out in the final plan; these environmental precautions are also
being done on other tracts in the area.
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7:50 p.m.
The Commission took a 10- minute break.
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Commissioner Parker concluded by stating that she had more comments to contribute to
the findings for the Tentative Tract Map and the Planned Unit Development, but believes
that the reasons stated were sufficient to explain her reasons for not approving the project.
Ms. McClish referred to Exhibit A, page 56, it does discuss two of the impacts
Commissioner Parker had mentioned; B2 & G4, in that there is a residual significant impact
unless modifications are made.
Commissioner Fellows agreed with Commissioner Parker's comments regarding the
findings /mitigation measures as the project is proposed; agreed with Mr. Nutting's
comments regarding the HOA; appreciated comments by Ella Honeycutt and statements by
Mr. Foote at previous meetings. He stated Lindy Althouse did a great job with the
mitigations; with proper mitigation and 25 foot setbacks there could be a potential for some
lots; regarding the entrance and lot 2, there is a problem with balancing environmental
constraints; as the project is designed he could not find overriding considerations or any
social benefits for homes that would cost a million and a half dollars.
Commissioner Brown stated the environmental impacts are too great and the mitigations
inadequate; explained specific issues that he had with the project:
1) The "taking" of Pismo Clarkia seems to exceed the stated 4% and he does not
support because it is an important resource and by the applicant's experts own
admittance, the long -term success of Pismo Clarkia mitigation is in question.
2) Long term enforcement of mitigation measures relating to biological resources,
(including protection of creek habitat, oak trees, Pismo Clarkia) is in doubt since
development is proposed to impact important resources e.g. bonds for oak trees
inadequate and no good receiving site for planting new oak trees for mitigation.
He further stated that the issues could be resolved if the project were reduced even further
to lesson the impacts in line with the possible benefits of the project and referred to (CEQA
15091 & 15093); suggested options for possible reductions to impacts in the vicinity of Tots
3, 8, 9, 18 -21 and possibly lots 14 -16, depending on road configuration; in addition it would
make sense to reduce the size of any remaining lots to lesson the development footprint on
the project and lesson the environmental impacts and it may then be possible to get a
statement of overriding consideration; long term enforcement of mitigations based on the
proposed HOA or maintenance district has not been proven.
Ms. McClish summarized the Commission's consensus regarding the CEQA findings based
on the impacts that Commissioner Parker spoke of regarding findings under CEQA 15091
(A) 1, Commissioner Fellow's support of her comments and the comments from
Commissioner Brown regarding the potential for reduction of impacts in the vicinity of
specific lots.
Commissioner Parker made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Fellows, recommending
that City Council deny the project based on the Commission's inability to make the required
CEQA findings for reasons relating to the impacts to biological resources and public
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The motion was passed on the following roll call vote:
AYES: Commissioners Parker, Fellows and Chair Brown.
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAIN: Commissioner Tait
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services as discussed by the Commission and that staff return at the next meeting with the
appropriate Resolution.
B. PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT CASE NO. 05 -005; APPLICANT — CAMPBELL,
LLC; LOCATION — 567 CROWN HILL.
Mr. Foster presented the staff report for consideration of a proposal for a planned unit
development (PUD) consisting of three (3) new single - family homes on three (3) existing
Tots located at 567 Crown Hill. A PUD for the site was approved in May; however, that
approval was based on retention of a portion of an existing home, which was completely
demolished without City approval. Therefore, the approval of the PUD is invalid. He
explained that Lot A & C remain unchanged; Lot B includes a new single - family home built
to the same dimensions as the demolished home. The applicant has agreed to donate
$8,500 to the City for historic preservation.
Staff answered Commission questions.
Chair Brown asked Mr. Carmel for his opinion as to whether the City considers the amount
of $8,500 (for the demolition of a historical resource) to be equitable when compared to the
enforcement action (conditions imposed) taken with the project at 212 Miller Way?
Mr. Carmel stated that the project on Miller Way is a separate issue and should not be
discussed with this item; each case is treated on a case -by case basis; each project could
be dealt with in a different way and the Commission can determine what is appropriate.
Chair Brown opened the hearing to public comment
Floyd Campbell, applicant, answered Commission's questions and further clarified on how
the demolition had occurred and stated he regretted that this had happened.
Terry Payne, 212 Miller Way, stated that it was inappropriate to reference her property with
this project, but since it had been referred to she would like to inform the public of her
complaint in regard to Commissioner Brown's alterations to his property and that she
believed that at the time the alterations had been made they were done without permits.
Mr. Carmel stated that the comments made by Ms. Payne were irrelevant to this project.
Chair Brown closed the hearing for public comment.
The Commission had the following concerns and comments regarding the Planned Unit
Development:
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Tait:
• The site seemed small for three homes.
• Could the space in front of the garage for lot B be used for parking a car that would
not impede the common driveway?
• The structures seem to surround the oak trees, particularly lot C and the garage on
lot A.
• He was glad to see the large oak on Crown Hill still there.
• The oak trees seem heavily limbed.
• There was a lack of sidewalk in front of the property.
• The irrigation may be too close to the oak trees and cause damage.
• He thought it excellent to have one driveway that is less impervious surface.
Fellows:
• The ARC had not reviewed this as a new project and therefore did not look at every
aspect; he believed it should be sent back to ARC as a new project.
• The 'B' house is not a replication of the Bennett house, as it does not have same
width.
• The recommended materials (approved by ARC) (brick on chimney and redwood on
the building) should be replaced with exact materials as the original building had; he
suggested the applicant could purchase the redwood in Eureka (northern California).
• The width of the house should be as narrow in back of chimney as it was in front so
the bedroom could be made smaller to accommodate this.
• In addition to the $8,500 restitution, a contribution should also be made to the South
County Historical Society two or three times this amount, to help them with
restoration of a house they were working on.
• Re preserving the Coast Live Oak trees, these should be bonded for $10,000 per
tree, have before and after construction photos taken.
• Guest parking is important for a PUD; there are two spots onsite that could be used:
1) at the southern extension and 2) on the side of the garage of the B house;
reducing the size of the houses would help provide this, particularly the A house.
• Wood windows should be used as requested by ARC, but he would like to see
smaller windows on the front of the house (showed a photograph taken many years
ago) as they were originally.
Parker:
• She had concern with building A being 2 -story and that it might overpower building B
and suggested that the front of building A could be made a one -story.
• Parking is an issue on Crown Hill because of the school; cars need to be able to pull
in; she suggested driveways or garage be reconfigured and this may require the
homes to be scaled down.
• If building B is to be historic, then building A should be also to be compatible.
• The $8,500 would be a good jumpstart to the HRC.
• She believed Mr. Campbell intent was to preserve this house and stated that he
would have had to remove the wall because it was so heavily infested with termites;
she did not agree with Commissioner Fellows that more punitive measures should
be assessed.
Commissioner Brown stated that generally speaking, there were some improvements that
could be made on this project and given the Commission comments he did not feel
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comfortable in approving the project as it is. He asked Mr. Campbell if he would prefer to
make the modifications and come back to the Commission or go forward to the City Council
for further review.
Mr. Campbell said he would like to come back to the Commission and address the changes
suggested, but would like to make the following comments:
• The original dimensions of the Bennett house were 26 x 12'6" as stated.
• He would like the information from Commissioner Fellows on how to obtain the
original redwood.
• He has photographs of the front portion of the Bennett house as it was, but he would
like a copy of the photograph that Commissioner Fellows showed earlier of the front
portion of the Bennett house taken even earlier.
• There would be two parking spots on the street (Crown Hill) in front of lot B once the
driveway goes in.
• The curb will be built out and around the oak tree to preserve it.
• He could put one additional parking space behind lot B, but he would like to preserve
the home on lot A; he would review the design again.
In reply to a question from Commission Tait, Mr. Campbell stated that he would be willing to
bond three oak trees (the one on lot C, the one below that and the one on lot A).
Commissioner Parker stated that the Planning Commission does not look at street parking,
but with the Paulding school on this street she would like to have sidewalk installed for
safety; she would look into information on rubberized sidewalks (ADA compliance) and pass
this information along to Mr. Campbell.
Commissioner Tait made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Brown to continue Planned
Unit Development 05 -005 to a date uncertain to enable the applicant to address the
changes suggested by the Commission.
The motion was passed on the following roll call vote:
AYES: Commissioners Tait, Brown, Fellows and Parker
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
IV. NON - PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS: None.
V. DISCUSSION ITEMS: None.
VI. PLANNING COMMISSION ITEMS AND COMMENTS:
Commissioner Parker stated Grover Beach is being progressive with their mixed -use
designations and asked if the City is intending to have more 'mix' in their mixed use and
should this be addressed with City Council. Ms. Heffernon, Acting Director said no projects
have come forward with vertical mixed use to date, but suggested the City could have some
study sessions regarding this issue.
In reply to a request from Commissioner Parker, Ms. Heffernon gave an update on the
Cherry Creek project.
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In reply to a question from Commissioner Fellows, Ms. Heffernon explained that public input
on the environmental issues for the Cherry Creek project would take place when the project
comes back to the Commission for consideration.
VII. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR COMMENTS AND FOLLOW -UP:
Ms. Heffernon gave an update on the upcoming items for the next agenda.
X. ADJOURNMENT: The meeting was adjourned at 9:50 p.m.
ATTEST:
LYN REARDON -SMITH
SECRETARY TO THE COMMISSION
AS TO CONTENT:
RO: T'ONG,
COMMUNITY DEVELOPME T DIRECTOR
(Minutes approved at the PC meeting of October 4, 2005)
TIM BROWN, CHAIR
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