PC Minutes 2005-06-071
MINUTES
CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE
PLANNING COMMISSION
JUNE 7, 2005
6:00 P.M.
CALL TO ORDER - The Arroyo Grande Planning Commission met in regular session
with Chair Brown presiding; also present were Commissioners Fellows, Keen, Parker
and Tait. Staff members in attendance were Community Development Director, Rob
Strong, Assistant Planner Jim Bergman, Planning Intern, Andy Bursan and Public
Works Engineer, Victor Devens.
AGENDA REVIEW: No changes.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Commissioner Parker made a motion, seconded by
Commissioner Fellows to approve the minutes of May 31, 2005 with a correction to
clarify a sentence on page 6, third bullet, to state:
• Modifications to the existing house in the front consist of changes to the handrails
at the front steps and changes to the landscaping and walkways.
The motion was approved with a 5/0 voice vote.
A. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS: None.
B. WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS: None.
II.
A. CONSENT AGENDA AND ADMINISTRATIVE APPROVALS SINCE MAY 31,
2005: None to report.
III. PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS:
A. (Continued from May 3, 2005 meeting) VESTING TENTATIVE TRACT
MAP /PLANNED UNIT DEVELOPMENT CASE NOS. 01 -001 AND LOT LINE
ADJUSTMENT CASE NO. 01 -002; APPLICANT — CASTLEROCK
DEVELOPMENT; LOCATION — JAMES WAY AND LA CANADA.
Commissioner Tait recused himself from this item, as he owns property within 500 feet
of the site.
Ms. McClish presented a short oral review of the staff report from the May 3, 2005
meeting for continued consideration of the 21 -unit subdivision and clustered residential
development on approximately 26.9 acres, including a 22 -acre open space parcel, and
review an addendum to the project's certified Revised Final Subsequent Environmental
Impact Report (RFSEIR). In conclusion, Ms. McClish described the proposed buffer
areas for the Pismo Clarkia and the wildlife corridor; reminded the Commission that if
they recommend approval a "statement of overriding considerations" is necessary
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because the Class I impacts of the project include the Pismo Clarkia and the cumulative
impact biological resources that were considered in the certified EIR.
Staff replied to questions from Commissioner Parker:
• Ms. McClish stated the ravine between lots 13 & 14 includes some oak trees
proposed to be removed; the final grading plans will be worked out with the final
map approval; re the amount of fill expected to be used, the applicant will
answer this.
• Ms. McClish stated the $1,500 per tree bond is included as part of the City's tree
ordinance and the applicant must ensure that all the conditions of approval are
adhered to; at present there is no specific fine for tree removal, but there is code
enforcement.
• Ms. McClish and Mr. Devens confirmed the grade of the emergency access road.
Mr. Devens explained that the water runoff would eventually be conveyed
through the City's storm water system and explained that the steeper portions of
the site would be indented into the hill (there would be a slight trough just east of
lot 13).
• Ms. McClish stated that no records of the well and pump, behind 634 Aselmo,
had been found. Mr. Strong stated that he thought this was a private well.
• Ms. McClish stated that the HOA would be responsible for maintenance of the
trail (unless a maintenance district was formed) and the conditions would include
a reporting provision.
Staff replied to questions from Commissioner Fellows:
• Mr. Devens stated staff would like the applicant to do another test on the existing
on -site well as the iron and magnesium levels seemed excessively high; they did
not have information on the quantity. Commissioner Fellows stated they would
need to know this information.
• Mr. Strong re the emergency access road and the connection to Hidden Oaks
school site: the trail beside the northeast edge of the site into the school was
reviewed by the School District and the Fire Department and determined to be an
appropriate conceptual alignment despite the fact that the school is not
anticipated to be built for at least 5 to 10 years.
• Ms. McClish confirmed that the author of Exhibit 'A' (CEQA Findings: "Statement
of Overriding Considerations ") was Rincon and written in March or April 2005.
Commissioner Fellows stated he would like to see author and date on Exhibits in
future.
• Ms. McClish re feasibility as it applies to acceptance or denial of a project and
the "map of constraints ": The map demonstrates the considerable constraints
that were determined to be applicable for this particular site; avoiding one of the
constraints may be feasible, but completely avoiding everything essentially
leaves no developable land; the applicant does feel that they have addressed
many of the mitigation measures that were identified in the EIR, but whether
there are additional modifications that could achieve mitigation to the extent
feasible is what is taking place now; Ms. McClish referred to Public Resources
Code Section 21081(a)(3) for findings related to infeasible mitigation measures;
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when a project is proposed the environmental review is done, all the findings
considered and everything in the record has to be looked at and weighed against
the project.
Staff replied to questions from Commissioner Brown.
• Ms. McClish read from the project's addendum to clarify the performance bond
for oak trees. Commissioner Brown stated that the performance bond language
should be spelled out before the project starts; it should cover all possible
affected trees and the bond not released until the end of construction. Ms.
McClish explained that there are a total of 70 oak trees proposed to be removed
and mitigated at the minimum ratio of 3:1 and an additional 100 oak trees
proposed to be transplanted and replaced if they don't survive; the $1500 bond
(or value of the tree) is a minimum cost and can be changed; all the mitigations
required for the site are put into a monitoring and reporting plan (MMRP); at this
time it is important to identify what is on the site and if the project goes forward all
the conditions satisfied prior to construction. Commissioner Brown stated he was
not comfortable leaving it until after Planning Commission and City Council's
approval of the project.
• Ms. McClish re environmental constraints stated that most of the constraints
would still be there with a 25 -foot buffer.
Chair Brown opened the hearing to public comment.
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Dennis Law, Andre, Morris and Buttery on behalf of Castlerock, stated he would answer
some of Commission questions at the end of public comment; Lindee Althouse would
also be able to answer some of the questions regarding Pismo Clarkia. Re the issue of
feasibility: Environmental impacts (through the CEQA process) should not be looked at
in isolation; other valid policies in the law such as provision of housing, social and
economic considerations that a housing project has to offer (concept embedded into
CEQA) should be considered; the feasibility consideration involves balancing of
interests.
Commissioner Parker's questions to Mr. Law:
• What do you know about the well just outside Castlerock's fence? Mr. Law
stated he was aware that it was there, but did not know anything about its
function, purpose or impact and that it was not Castlerock's.
• Did he know about the "Caution" sign on the gate? Mr. Law stated he did not
know about this sign.
Commissioner Brown's questions to Mr. Law:
• Re the economic considerations of a housing project, when the General Plan
Update was being reviewed by the City we were told by experts that housing
revenue was neutral. What are the economic considerations you are referring to
with this project? Mr. Law: the economic considerations are project specific and
related to the project developer; the public policy to provide housing is not
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founded on the economic wealth of the entities in which the housing is located
but is incorporated into State statutes; local agencies need to consider this need
in their planning decisions.
• What type of housing are you intending to provide and does this fit within the
legislation that the State requires we consider? Mr. Law stated that their housing
is designed to fit all economical levels.
In answer to Commissioner's questions regarding performance bonds, Mr. Law
explained that a performance bond comes into being after a developer's agreement is
entered into and after approval of the final map; a $300,000 bond should provide more
than adequate security to make sure the developer does what he is supposed to do; the
CEQA process really works when it is done early enough, but if you require overly
specific details (such as in terms of each tree) it can work against the process; flexibility
is needed for the protection of the trees; there will be another opportunity to check the
trees with the final map.
Robert Brownson, 653 Asilo, urged the Commission to recommend denial of the
proposed development as submitted, based on the fact that it violates all of the certified
mitigation measures stipulated and approved by City Council for this property; he then
described the two measures that were stipulated in the SEIR re the Pismo Clarkia and
the cumulative negative impacts to biological resources on the site; described the two
conditions of approval (mandated mitigations) stipulated by a majority of the Council, 1)
the setback of 50 feet from Pismo Clarkia, and 2) the minimum setback of 50 feet from
all riparian areas (including wetlands and the riparian area bordering Meadow Creek);
stated that the applicant's proposed mitigations try to get around the requirements of
City Council.
Don Dirkse 636 Asilo, stated he was not in favor of the development, as oaks would be
chopped down and wetlands covered over, the natural springs that feed the wetlands
would be affected; there should never be compromise on environmental treasures.
Ella Honeycutt, 560 Oakhill Road; stated concern with the oak trees and asked if the
protection for these trees had been spelled out; the Rancho Grande oak tree
replacement should have been audited over the last 20 years and suggested video
taping the existing trees so they would not be lost.
The Commission took a 15- minute break.
Lindee Althouse, consultant for Castlerock for Pismo Clarkia, in reply to a question from
Commissioner Keen, stated Pismo Clarkia was last surveyed two years ago and that in
drought years there was actually more Pismo Clarkia growing.
In a discussion with Commissioner Parker, Ms. Althouse explained the conditions in
which Pismo Clarkia best thrives; the boundaries of Clarkia habitat onsite, the effect of
grading and development in the vicinity of Clarkia, and current techniques of Clarkia
protection.
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Answers from consultants to Commissioner Fellow's questions:
• Kevin Merke stated there were some discrepancies in the percentages, but the
4% taking of Pismo Clarkia is a correct figure.
• Ms. Althouse explained the protection was being recommended so the taking of
a few scattered Pismo Clarkia population would not have a negative long term
impact on the persistence of Pismo Clarkia; there had been no Pismo Clarkia in
the mitigation planting site; she would like to give some different treatment to
encourage growth of seeds; explained the germination of the Pismo Clarkia.
Answers to Commissioner Brown's questions:
• Ms. Althouse explained her expertise and work history with Pismo Clarkia; stated
she . is considered by the County to be one of their experts on Pismo Clarkia;
then went on to describe the optimum conditions for the survival of Pismo
Clarkia; explained how the funding for the study had evolved and that she was
optimistic that the recovery of Pismo Clarkia could be successful at this site.
• Ms. Althouse explained that they had been given a 25 -foot setback to work with.
She stated she understood there may be some take in the area that the City
asked for in the 50 -foot setback and that some of the language was written
before the SEIR was certified with the 50 feet.
• Ms. Althouse explained why modifications of the performance standards may be
required, 1) due to unusual sequence of rainfalls, and 2) their experience from
what they had learned.
• Ms. Althouse agreed that their research is not directly a mitigation, but that they
are working towards the recovery of this subspecies (enhancement of Pismo
Clarkia); she agreed with Commissioner Brown that avoidance is a true
mitigation, but if the site was left undisturbed she was not sure the Pismo Clarkia
would stay with all the grass that would take over the site; oak woodland needs a
lot of protection.
In answer to a question from Commissioner Fellows, Mr. Merke stated that animals will
migrate through a culvert depending on the size and whether there is light at the end of
the culvert.
In answer to a question from Commissioner Parker, Ms. Althouse explained that the
"average of 25 feet" distance from the Pismo Clarkia is to keep the permanent change
in the landscape away from the Pismo Clarkia; that a straight line is not as important as
criteria.
David Foote, Firma answered further questions from the Commission:
• The height of a culvert is critical for getting an adequate opening for light; 7 feet
should be more than adequate, which is half the length of the one downstream.
• Re the well immediately upstream of site and the concern that it may be drawing
off water: If the well is functioning it is at a considerable depth and would impact
the site.
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Commission Parker stated the barbed wire near the culvert needs to be removed.
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In reply to a question from Commissioner Parker re the Castlerock well, Mr. Foote
stated the springs that are creating a wet surface (near lot 8) are moving along at a very
shallow level along the plain of the rock.
In reply to a question from Commission Fellows, Mr. Foote said they were not aware of
any wildlife moving along the culvert near James Way and confirmed that it is big
enough for predominant mammals in the area to move through.
In reply to questions from Commissioner Brown, Mr. Foote explained their success rate
on past projects they had been involved with; how they measured their success rate;
stated that other agencies would be following up on their performance also.
Commissioner Brown said he would like some sort of a performance guarantee. Mr.
Foote suggested that a condition could be included to address this or the City could
retain an environmental monitor that would be paid for by the developer. Commissioner
Brown asked if Mr. Foote if he agreed that lot 9 and Tots 18 -21 have the most affect on
the riparian resource? Mr. Foote agreed.
Mr. Foote answered questions from Commissioner Parker:
• Weed control after the initial five -year period would be taken care of by the HOA
and included in the CC &R's for maintenance provisions thereafter.
• Explained how the removal of eucalyptus trees in zone 1 and zone 2 would take
place and that the HOA would manage the stumps in the future (to remain in
zone 2).
• A signed rail fence will be erected like in other areas of Rancho Grande, to keep
people out of the areas to be protected.
9:00 pm.
Mr. Strong, suggested that Item III.C. Historical Resource Committee, be deferred to the
next regular meeting or subsequent date due to the time. The Commission
unanimously agreed with a 5/0 voice consent.
In answer to Commissioner Parker, Kevin Merke, Plant Biologist, consultant for Rincon,
stated that he had seen success rate on specimen trees being transplanted and that it
was best to plant onsite, contiguous to existing oaks.
Commissioner Brown asked about the recovery of transplanted oaks where the
canopies had been trimmed. Mr. Merke responded that the recovery of the canopy of
transplanted oaks may take as much as 10-15 ,years.
Commissioner Brown re staff report, page 10, asked if reducing lots 3 & 17 (almost
entirely covered with oak woodland habitat) and in his opinion lots 14 -17 (almost entirely
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covered in oaks) would significantly reduce cumulative biological impacts and the oak
tree impact. Mr. Merke agreed that it would.
Mr. Law then answered questions from Commissioner Brown regarding environmental
monitoring and how it could be organized, who would be financially responsible and
how it could be enforced. The City would be put as a beneficiary in CC &R's, City held
financially not responsible, HOA must pay and this is a strong economic hammer.
Commissioner Fellows asked for staff to comment on how maintenance districts versus
HOA's could work for the environmental monitoring.
Mr. Strong explained how a combination of both could work for the City for the
environmental monitoring and stated that performance guarantees could be worked into
the HOA.
Commissioner Brown and Parker then had further questions for Ms. Althouse regarding
maintenance and protection of the Pismo Clarkia, clarification on the calculations for the
funding and clarification on the calculations in the tables regarding the 4% "take" (of the
Pismo Clarkia). Ms. Althouse agreed with Ms. Parker that Table 2 did show some
inconsistencies because in 2002 the road went through the patches identified by
Rincon, but when they did their research the road did not go through the patches.
9:45 p.m.
Commissioner Brown stated that due to the late hour the Commission should consider
continuing agenda item III.B, Plot Plan Review Case No. 05 -004, Pace Brothers. Mr.
Strong stated that if they wished to adjourn at 10:00 p.m. then there would not be time
to get to this item; he would have preferred this item to be heard tonight or continuance
considered earlier in the agenda; this item is a single lot construction project, had not
been heard yet but had been continued twice.
A discussion then ensued with staff and the Commission on agenda management. Mr.
Strong suggested that a separate workshop be scheduled so that staff and the
Commission could discuss agenda management. The Commission unanimously
agreed.
Commissioner Keen made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Fellows to continue
item III.B. to the next regular meeting of June 21, 2005, that it be placed first on the
agenda and that item III.A. be continued to the meeting of July 5, 2005 and be placed
second on the agenda. The motion passed on the following roll call vote:
AYES: Commissioner's Keen, Fellows, Parker and Chair Brown
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: Commissioner Tait
ABSENT: None
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It was noted that Commissioner Tait and Commissioner Keen would not be present at
the next regular meeting.
IV. NON - PUBLIC HEARING ITEMS: None.
V. DISCUSSION ITEMS: None.
In response to a question from Commissioner Parker, Mr. Strong gave an update on the
sign at Baja Fresh.
VI. PLANNING COMMISSION ITEMS AND COMMENTS: None.
VII. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR COMMENTS AND FOLLOW -UP:
Mr. Strong said he would like to have a workshop with the Commission, staff and the
public regarding management of the agenda in the near future.
VIII. TENTATIVE AGENDA ITEMS FOR THE JUNE 21, 2005 MEETING:
No discussion.
IX. ADJOURNMENT:
The meeting was adjourned at 10:00 p.m.
ATTEST:
LYN REARDON -SMITH
SECRETARY TO THE COMMISSION
B STR o N ,
COMMUNITY DEVEL s ' MENT DIRECTOR
(Minutes approved at the PC meeting of July 5, 2005)
TIM BR's , CHAIR
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