PC Minutes 2002-12-171
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DECEMBER 17, 2002
CALL TO ORDER - The Arroyo Grande Planning Commission met in regular session
with Vice Chair Keen presiding. Also present were Commissioners Arnold, Brown,
Fowler, and Guthrie. Staff members in attendance were Community Development
Director, Rob Strong and Planning Assistant Ryan Foster.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - The minutes of November 19, 2002 were approved as
written on a 4/5 voice vote, with Ed Arnold abstaining.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS — Commissioner Keen introduced Ed Arnold the newly
appointed Planning Commissioner.
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS — A letter from Cindy Hansen, Hausna Road,
supporting the South County Historical Society's proposal to build a metal building to be
used as a museum on the Village Green, but asking that consideration be given to using
the Loomis Feed Building for the museum.
AGENDA REVIEW — No changes in the Agenda.
PUBLIC HEARING — LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT CASE NO. 02 -005; APPLICANT —
STEPHEN & SHERRI HAUCK; LOCATION — CANYON WAY, TRACT 2265. Staff
report prepared and presented by Ryan Foster.
Mr. Foster stated that the applicant was proposing to adjust the lot line between Lots 1
and 37 in Tract 2265; the majority of Lot 37 was granted to the City through an open
space agreement by Village Glen Homes in 2001; the proposed project would transfer
118,389 square -feet of this "open space" land to Lot 1, which was not a part of the open
space agreement. He further stated that upon initial review, the City Attorney indicated
that modification was possible; however, additional time would be needed to review
procedures for granting the lot line adjustment while protecting the City's interest in the
existing open space. Staff was recommending the Commission continue this item to the
next regular planning Commission meeting.
Answering Commissioner Guthrie, Mr. Foster said the building pad would be on the
original footprint at the end of the Tract on Lot 1.
Commissioner Keen said the open space agreement states "No further land division of
the Subject Property shall occur or be applied for by the owner... ", therefore he did not
think a lot line adjustment could even be applied for.
Mr. Foster said this LLA would not be considered a subdivision, but is just a transfer of a
portion of land from another lot within the same tract.
Vice Chair Keen opened the public hearing.
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Stephen Hauck, applicant, explained that the area adjacent to Lot 1 (where their home
is) is only visible to them and they were requesting the Lot Line Adjustment to ensure
that this area is well- maintained and it is their desire and wish that the entire area
always remain open and undeveloped.
Commissioner Keen asked the applicant if they had considered not merging with Lot 1,
still retain and maintain it, but not call it Lot 1.
Mr. Hauck replied that this might be a practical solution.
Vice Chair Keen closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Brown made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Fowler to continue
the proposed Lot Line Adjustment to the next Planning Commission meeting.
The motion was approved with the following roll call vote:
AYES: Commissioners Brown, Fowler, Arnold, Guthrie and Vice Chair Keen
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
PUBLIC HEARING - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CASE NO. 02 -010; APPLICANT —
SOUTH COUNTY HISTORICAL SOCIETY; LOCATION — 127 SHORT STREET
VILLAGE GREEN. Staff report prepared and presented by Ryan Foster.
Mr. Foster stated that the applicant was proposing to construct a 2,400 square -foot
metal -frame building behind the Santa Manuela Schoolhouse to be used to house
historic displays. He further stated the building would consist of a metal roof and board
and batten exterior. He explained that the project site is located in the Public Facilities
Zoning District and is subject to the Guidelines for Historic Districts. However, there is
no section in the Guidelines pertaining to the Public Facility Zoning District. If compared
to the Guidelines pertaining to residential districts, the project would be in conflict,
primarily due to the metal roof and lack of ornamentation. At the December 2, 2002
meeting the Architectural Review Committee (ARC) recommended approval subject to
several conditions regarding the building materials and detail work. Because this
project is located on City owned property, final approval lies with the City Council.
Finally, Mr. Foster referred to the suggestion received in a letter from Cindy Hansen.
He explained that the Loomis Feed Building is included in an EIR currently being
prepared for the Creekside project and the historical significance of the building will be
determined upon completion of the EIR.
Vice Chair Keen opened the public hearing.
Kirk Scott, President of the Historical Society, spoke describing the project, giving the
architectural details of the proposed building and some history of the South County
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Historical Society. He explained why the proposed building was required and
distributed some pictures of historical buildings that illustrated what they were trying to
emulate for the museum building. He concluded by saying this proposal was a gift to
the City.
Commissioner Brown stated his appreciation to the Historical Society for their efforts,
but stated because this proposal is for a building right in the heart of the Village color
renderings including different perspectives should first be submitted to the ARC. He
further stated that the Historic Village Design Guidelines needed to be adhered to. He
suggested that this could might be a project for Cal Poly. Mr. Scott said he would
pursue these suggestions.
Commissioner Fowler asked how often the proposed museum would be open to the
public? Mr. Scott said the same hours as the other museums on the Village Green,
which is Saturday and Sunday at this time.
Commissioner Fowler stated she had concerns about putting this `container type'
(storage) building on this very pretty Village Green area. She further stated that the
proposed building does not match the Village Design Guidelines.
Mr. Scott stated that the building was intended to be a museum with some area
cordoned off for storage. He believed the metal roofed, board and batten building with
landscaping around it would blend in with the existing buildings on the Village Green.
Heather Jensen, 569 May Street, said she had a concern that any "Public Facilities" had
not been incorporated into the process in the update of the Historic Guidelines. She
further stated that Public facilities should be setting a very high standard to follow and
was not sure that this building would fit in with the existing buildings.
Vice Chair Keen closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Guthrie had a concern that the drawings they had received did not reflect
the fairly significant changes requested by the ARC at their meeting and without seeing
these changes it would be very difficult to approve this project. He also had a concern
initially with the scale of the building compared to the existing buildings, but after visiting
the site he thought it might not look so large. He agreed with Commissioner Brown that
he would like to see plans which include color renderings and show perspectives to the
existing buildings. He further stated that the Historic Village Design Guidelines should
apply to this building.
Commissioner Arnold said he concurred with Commissioner Guthrie that this project
should return to the ARC for their review with the requested changes before coming
back to the Planning Commission.
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Commissioner Fowler said her concerns were the size of the building and whether it
was appropriate for the area. She would like to see a smaller building or two separate
buildings.
Commissioner Brown restated his view that the Historic Guidelines should be followed.
He also had concerns about the metal roof and whether the building could be made to
look like an historic building. He concurred with Commissioner Guthrie that colored
renderings including perspectives to compare with the existing buildings needed to be
submitted. Finally, he stated that the Commission would need a comfort level before
they could approve this project.
Commissioner Keen referred to the picture of the McCade building (a building that was
in the community years ago), stating that he would like to see the building look more like
this. He further suggested that if the building was "L" shaped it may not look as big and
on the "L" shape toward Short Street the doors and facade could be like the old
buildings from that period. He then questioned if any of these specific lots had been
merged into one parcel and if these were still individual lots the proposed project would
cross property lines. In addition, he thought the City had acquired Lot 3 under "eminent
domain" to build a City Hall and asked for comment from Community Development.
Mr. Strong stated he did not know the specific history, but it would be up to the City
Council to decide whether this is an appropriate public use. City staff (City Attorney and
Building Dept.) did not feel that it should be a prerequisite to a conditional use permit to
merge the lots, although there would have to be provision that the lots stayed together
as long as there is a building that crosses the property line.
The Planning Commission agreed that because the project site is located in the village
and is on City property the Historic Village Design Guideline standards should be
followed. They requested the applicant return to the Architectural Review Committee
with color renderings that reflect the changes requested by them and also show size
and scale relative to the other historic buildings at this site.
Commissioner Brown made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Guthrie to continue
the project to a date uncertain with the request that the applicant first return to the ARC
with more detailed color renderings showing scale and perspectives viewed from
different locations. The motion was approved with the following roll call vote:
AYES: Commissioners Brown, Guthrie, Arnold, Fowler and Vice Chair Keen
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
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Commissioner Brown asked Mr. Foster if he would follow up with Mr. Scott to get a
contact with Cal Poly for help with the design of the building.
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Commissioner Keen asked Mr. Scott if the Historical Society had looked into using an
old building around town for the museum.
Mr. Scott said they had looked into using old wood and found that it would not be
feasible due to the cost and the incompatibility of the lengths of the wood.
PUBLIC HEARING — CONTINUED ITEM
CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CASE NO. 02 -008 & VARIANCE CASE NO. 02 -006;
APPLICANT — GINA GLASS; LOCATION — 407 EL CAMINO REAL. Staff report
prepared and presented by Ryan Foster.
Mr. Foster said this project was continued by the Planning Commission at its meeting of
October 1, 2002. He further stated that the applicant proposes to renovate the Arroyo
Village Inn and these renovations include three new guest rooms, a day room, several
lattice trellises, and a sound barrier wall. The applicant has concurrently applied for a
variance to address the height of the sound barrier, front yard setback, and number of
signs. At its meeting of October 1, 2002, the Planning Commission expressed concerns
over the height of the sound wall, the lack of an on -site manager, and the proposed
shared parking agreement. He further stated that the applicant had submitted
supporting documentation addressing the concerns.
Commissioner Brown stated that at the last meeting Commissioner Guthrie had asked
whether or not the Arroyo Village Inn was considered to be a Bed & Breakfast or
hotel /motel.
Mr. Foster replied that under 12 units (State) building standards do not require an on
site manager, but the City Development Code does require an onsite manager for a Bed
& Breakfast.
Vice Chair Keen opened the public hearing.
Steven Soenke, Architect, explained what had been done to address the concerns of
the Commission since the last meeting.
Gina Glass, Applicant, explained how she intended to staff her business and why in her
view a 24 -hour onsite manager was not required. She further stated that there was
always someone to greet guests and her neighbors were also willing to help out at night
if needed. In reply to a question from Commissioner Guthrie, Ms. Glass said there were
no fire sprinklers in the rooms, but there were two exits from each room. She also
addressed the noise issue and the proposed 12 -foot wall, stating that if her clients could
not see the freeway they would not hear it either.
Bill Doan, Acoustical Consultant, gave a short recap of the problem as it related to the
freeway noise. He stated a 12 -foot tall wall would reduce noise levels by a factor of `2'
in addition to producing some psychological improvements onsite by guests not being
able to see the freeway.
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Vice Chair Keen closed the public hearing.
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Commissioner Keen asked Mr. Doan if an analysis of the difference between the legal
height of 6 foot (with maybe a 2 foot variance) and a 12 -foot wall? Mr. Doan replied the
minimum to reduce the line of sight would be 12 -foot and without this there would be no
noise reduction. In reply to a question from Commissioner Arnold, Mr. Doan said
shrubbery alone would not reduce the noise.
Commission Guthrie asked what was unique about the property to allow a variance
compared to other similar properties close by? Mr. Doan said he was not in a position
to answer that, but believed if any new properties came in they would be required to
mitigate for noise from the freeway.
Mr. Soenke added that the proposed 12 -foot high wall is stepped down as it proceeds
away from the freeway.
Commissioner Keen stated that he had noticed that the proposed new trellis had
already been installed without Commission approval. In addition, Condition No. 11
requires the applicant to outline conditions for shared parking, but at the last meeting
the Commission stated that shared parking with Montessori school was not appropriate
because they only have four spaces.
Ms. Glass stated that she did have an agreement with the school, but had not followed
up on the Commission request because she was already in compliance with parking.
Mr. Foster then restated the parking requirements and said if an onsite manager was
required there would not be sufficient parking.
Richard DeBlauw, 411 El Camino Real, stated that the only objection he had to the
proposal was the 12 -foot high wall on the property line and would like to see the wall
built to the maximum legal height of 6 feet.
After discussion the Planning Commission stated that having a Bed & Breakfast without
an on -site manager would be a safety issue, the 12 -foot sound wall was not acceptable
and the business was not unique compared to neighboring businesses, therefore the
findings for the variance could not be met. The Commission agreed that a 6 -foot wall
with Community Development Director approval of a further 2 feet would be acceptable.
Commissioner Guthrie stated he would like to see review of the Development Code take
place to clarify what the difference between a hotel and a `bed & breakfast' would be.
Commissioner Keen said Condition No. 11 would have to be modified before he could
approve this project.
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Commissioner Guthrie made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Brown denying
Variance 02 -006 regarding the 12 -foot sound wall. The motion was approved by the
following roll call:
AYES: Commissioners Guthrie, Brown, Arnold, Fowler and Vice Chair Keen
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
Commissioner Guthrie made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Brown approving
Variance 02 -006 with respect to the setback and the signage.
The motion was approved by the following roll call:
AYES: Commissioner's Guthrie, Brown, Arnold, Fowler and Vice Chair Keen
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
The Planning Commission agreed that a Development Code interpretation should
be made to ensure that "all bed and breakfasts in any district require a 24 -hour
on -site manager.
Commissioner Guthrie made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Brown approving
Conditional Use Permit 02 -008 and Variance 02 -006 as amended, striking Condition
No. 12 and adopting:
RESOLUTION 02 -1857
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE
PLANNING COMMISSION APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE
PERMIT CASE NO. 02 -008 AND VARIANCE CASE NO. 02 -006,
LOCATED AT 407 EL CAMINO REAL, APPLIED FOR BY GINA
GLASS
The motion was approved with the following roll call vote:
The foregoing resolution was adopted this 17th day December 2002.
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AYES: Commissioner's Guthrie, Brown, Arnold, Fowler and Vice Chair Keen
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
NON - PUBLIC HEARING - PRE - APPLICATION REVIEW CASE NO. 02 -013;
APPLICANT — KEVIN HUNSTAD; LOCATION — 1180 ASH STREET. Staff report
prepared and presented by Ryan Foster.
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Mr. Foster said the applicant is proposing an 8 -unit Planned Unit Development with a
density equivalent of 14 dwelling units /acre, which exceeds the 11 dwelling unit/acre
maximum currently allowed by the Development Code. The applicant can either
address this by providing 25 %, or three units as "affordable units ", or file a formal
application once the City has completed its update of the Development Code, which
would reflect the density of 14 dwelling units /acre maximum allowed by the 2001
General Plan Update.
Kevin Hunstad, Applicant, addressed questions from the Commission:
• They were proposing two affordable units.
• Each lot was approximately 3200 square feet.
• The oak tree proposed to be removed is about two thirds of the way back in the
middle of the driveway.
Vice Chair Keen opened the item for public comment and upon hearing none, brought
the item back to the Commission for consideration.
Planning Commission comments:
• They hoped that there was now an adequate method in place for the City to go
forward with an affordable housing requirement.
• They had concerns about removal of the oak tree and would like to see one or
more large trees for required replacement instead of 3 small trees.
• This project was a good example of infill and a good fit for the area.
• They suggested that elevations be more varied and have some architectural
differences.
• They commended the developer for his intent to include two affordable units.
• They approved of the proposed project site plan.
PRE - APPLICATION REVIEW 02 -015; APPLICANT — RICHARD SHARP; LOCATION
— THE PIKE AND ELM STREET. Staff report prepared and presented by Ryan Foster.
Mr. Foster said that the Pre - Application is to review a proposal for a 39 -unit senior
housing complex and as with the previous item this proposed project exceeds the
maximum allowed density that would be allowed with the new mixed -use land use
designation of 25 dwelling units /acre. The applicant would need to provide 25 %, or
eight units as "affordable units" to receive a density bonus, which would then allow
thirty -nine units. Alternatively, staff is proposing that a "dwelling unit equivalency" be
included as part of the Development Code update. Based on this model, the proposed
project would be equivalent to 35 dwelling units instead of 39, and therefore only four
units above the maximum currently allowed. The applicant has submitted a letter
outlining parking standards for senior housing complexes, which concludes that a
parking ratio of 1.2 spaces /unit would be sufficient for this type of project. All on -site
parking would be provided in the form of an underground parking garage. The project is
also subject to a 100' agricultural buffer due to the County agriculture parcel across Elm
Street to the east. Including the building setback and Elm Street Right of Way width,
the buffer would be 93' wide. There is a drainage ditch along the parcel that could be
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included in the buffer width, or a 7' portion of the buffer could be mitigated through
additional landscaping by the applicant, both on and off -site. An additional option is to
convert the four easternmost apartments into a compatible office /retail use, which would
exclude them from the buffer requirement.
Vice Chair Keen opened the item for public comment and upon hearing none, brought .
the item back to the Commission for consideration.
The Commission had the following comments and concerns:
• The applicant should be prepared to explain specifically why the project requires
only 100 feet as a buffer from the agricultural land on the east side of Elm Street.
• Underground parking may be a concern with senior citizens and the proposed
columns in the underground parking may be difficult for some seniors to
maneuver. In addition, underground guest parking would not be easily
accessible because of the locked gate. Some additional guest parking should be
provided.
• There was concern that some of the units may be facing the wall of the 7 -11.
• A larger activity indoor space would be beneficial.
• A bus turnout on The Pike would enhance the project.
• There was a concern with the height of the parking structure and deck
overlooking neighbors.
• The City of Arroyo Grande should furnish water service for this project.
The Commission said that they liked the idea of the project and thought it looked good,
and additionally stated that senior housing and affordable housing are very much
needed.
DISCUSSION ITEMS:
Teresa McClish, Associate Planner, presented a progress report and proposed meeting
schedule both for the Historic Village Design Guidelines and the Development Code
Update. Ms. McClish said at the February 4, 2003 meeting the Commission is
scheduled to review both the Historic Village Design Guidelines and the Development
Code Village Core Mixed Use Districts. She further informed the Commission that two
public workshops were scheduled on the same day for the Development Code revisions
pertaining to the Village Core area - January 15 at 8:00 a.m. and 6:00 pm. The
Development Code revisions pertaining to the East Grand Avenue and the
Neighborhood Commercial Mixed -Use districts are scheduled in March.
Commissioner Guthrie asked if there was a specific LHTF subcommittee looking at
mixed -use housing potentials. Mr. Strong said the subcommittees of the task force do
not specifically relate to zoning districts, but there are a lot of opportunities in the mixed
use districts for multiple - family and we are hoping to preview these with the Commission
before getting into the Multiple - Family districts. We will bring issues to the Commission
in the Development Code Amendments for the Village and East Grand Avenue for
refinements as they come up.
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PLANNING COMMISSION ITEMS AND COMMENTS — Commissioner Brown asked
for an update on the La Tapatia restaurant. Mr. Strong said a letter had been sent to
them notifying them that we expect plans to be submitted to the Community
Development Department during the early part of the year and a commitment from them
that work will be completed by March 2003.
Commissioner Brown said he had received a complaint from a citizen about the sign for
`Alphys' in the Village Centre. Commissioner Keen said he had a concern that the
colors were too bright and did not think it was an appropriate sign. Commissioner
Brown asked if the sign could be revisited. Mr. Strong said he would investigate the
possibility, but had concerns because this sign had already been approved by the ARC.
He further stated that during the Development Code Update it is intended to have a
discussion on the types of permits that should be approved by each entity.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR COMMENTS AND FOLLOW -UP — None.
ADJOURNMENT - The Planning Commission made a motion to cancel the January 7,
2003 regular meeting due to lack of projects. The motion was unanimously approved
on a 5/0 voice vote. There being no further business before the Commission, the
meeting was adjourned at 11:00 p.m. on a motion by Commissioner Keen, seconded by
Commissioner Brown, and unanimously carried.
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