PC Minutes 2002-07-02MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING OF THE
CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE PLANNING COMMISSION
JULY 2, 2002
CALL TO ORDER
The Arroyo Grande Planning Commission met in regular session with Chair Costello
Presiding. Present were Commissioner's Brown, Fowler, Guthrie and Keen. Also in
attendance were staff members Associate Planner Kelly Heffernon, Community
Development Director, Rob Strong and Public Works Assistant Engineer, Mike Linn.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - The minutes of May 21, 2002 were unanimously
approved as written by a 5/0 voice vote.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS - None
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
1. Supplemental letter and Exhibit 'A', 'B' and 'C' for Public Hearing Item II.A.
2. Housing Element Review worksheet for Non - Public Hearing Item III.B.
AGENDA REVIEW
The Planning Commission agreed to take Non - Public Hearing Item III.A out of
sequence due to special circumstances.
NON - PUBLIC HEARING - AMENDMENT TO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CASE NO.
02 -006; APPLICANT - VISTA HOSPITAL SYSTEMS INC. /RICHARD SANDOVAL;
LOCATION - 345 SOUTH HALCYON ROAD
Rob Strong presented the staff report prepared by Teresa McClish, Associate
Planner, explaining the applicant's request to remove the Condition of Approval
requiring the inclusion of a bus turn -out for the hospital parking lot expansion. Mr.
Strong gave an update, confirming that there is a bus stop on Fair Oaks (just east
of the intersection of Fair Oaks and Halcyon Road) and that the transit authority
had informed the City that a stop located on the Halcyon Road frontage was not
important enough to be considered at this time. In addition, a suggestion had been
made for a voluntary donation from the Arroyo Grande Community Hospital to a
transit fund for bus stop improvements.
Commissioner Brown asked if there were any other sources of funding to make this
happen? Rob Strong said additional ideas for transit improvements had not been
explored, but could be considered by the City in the future.
Commissioner Guthrie stated that the Halcyon bus was discontinued a year and a
half ago, although the bench is still there. Rob Strong said he would arrange for
the bench to be relocated to the bus stop.
Mike Linn, Public Works, stated that Jason Gillespie, of the transit authority, had
informed him that they were only in the beginning stages of coordinating efforts
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with all the bus agencies and they would have to redirect their whole schedule in
order to accommodate the requested bus stop and bus turnout.
In answer to a question from Commissioner Guthrie, Mike Linn confirmed that the
range for a bus turnout had been quoted as between $15,000 - $50,000.
Dale Ramey, representative RRM, explained that he had submitted a cost estimate
to the City for an 80 -foot stall and a larger stall, but a smaller transit bus could be
used and would lower the price.
Commissioner Guthrie stated that he thought the estimate was extremely high and
suggested in -lieu fees might be collected in the future to provide funding for transit
requirements.
Commissioner Keen stated he was in favor of removing the condition since the bus
no longer goes to the location and that he would also like to see the bus bench
moved.
Commissioner Guthrie stated that the bench belonged to both the Grover Beach
and Arroyo Grande Chambers of Commerce and suggested they be contacted to
move it.
Commissioner Fowler concurred with Commissioner Keen to remove the condition
for the bus turnout.
Commissioner Brown said he also concurred with Commissioner Keen to remove
the condition for the bus turnout. He expressed concern with respect to the wide
range of the cost estimate range, stating he would like to see a more specific cost
estimate justified for any future projects.
Rob Strong informed the Commission that the City would be pursuing a bid for a
bus turnout location on East Grand Avenue (part of the East Grand Avenue
Enhancement Plan) to replace a curb stop that exists in Grover Beach between
Courtland and Oak Park. A more accurate estimate should be received from an
actual bid.
Chair Costello said he also concurred with the other Commissioners on waiving the
condition for the requirement for the bus turnout. He stated he had a concern that
the issue of public transportation was not being dealt with, but in his opinion it
would have to be during the next decade or more.
Commissioner Keen made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Guthrie to remove
Condition of Approval No. 32 from Exhibit'A', of Conditional Use Permit Case No.
02 -006 and adopt:
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RESOLUTION NO. 02 -1841
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
ARROYO GRANDE, REMOVING CONDITION OF APPROVAL NO. 32
FROM EXHIBIT 'A' OF CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT CASE NO. 02-
006, LOCATED AT 345 SOUTH HALCYON ROAD, APPLIED FOR BY
ARROYO GRANDE COMMUNITY HOSPITAL
The motion was approved with the following roll call vote:
AYES: Commissioner's Brown, Fowler, Guthrie, Keen and Chair Costello
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
The foregoing resolution was adopted this 2nd day of July 2002.
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PUBLIC HEARING — VARIANCE CASE NO. 02 -002; APPLICANT — MARY E.
MYERS; LOCATION — PASEO STREET — CONTINUED FROM JUNE 18, 2002
PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING
Kelly Heffernon, Associate Planner, presented the staff report explaining that the
variance was being requested to allow deviation from Development Code
requirements for side yard setback and installation of a sidewalk along Paseo Street
to construct a 2,200 square foot house on a legal, non - conforming, small lot with
steeply sloped topography and the private access road encroaching along the
property frontage.
At the June 18, 2002 meeting the Planning Commission discussion focused mainly
on lot coverage requirements, the possibility of merging non - conforming Tots that
are under the same ownership, and the pending sidewalk requirements. The open
deck areas are excluded from the lot coverage calculation in the Development Code
and the lot coverage is less than the maximum allowed in either the Residential
Suburban district or the previous Residential Agriculture zoning and is therefore not
an issue.
Commissioner Brown questioned the difference in lot coverage standard
percentages as quoted in the last staff report and the new staff report. Ms.
Heffernon stated that the Development Code standards had been revised a number
of times, but the correct figure is 50 %.
Commissioner Brown then asked if the City installs sidewalk does it then become
City property? Mike Linn, stated that if the sidewalk were in the City right -of -way
it would be the property of the City.
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Commissioner Keen advised that after the sidewalk is installed to City
specifications then the City has to maintain it and connecting the sidewalk to a
public right -of -way does make it part of the City's system.
Mike Linn agreed with Commissioner Keen's comments and after further questions
from Chair Costello clarified that the City would maintain the sidewalk, but the
ownership would still be that of the property owner unless dedicated.
David Brown, Agent for the owner, commented that if the sidewalk is put in it
would be deemed "a permanent non - permeable surface ", which means the property
owner pays taxes on it and if it is for public use this does not seem fair; he then
presented a detailed description of the sidewalk and side yard setbacks and if they
were required how the property would be affected. He stated that Lot 1, directly
behind the property, has a rear yard setback that is also not in conformance.
Commissioner Guthrie questions:
• Re Exhibit 'A', where is the transition between the proposed curb and gutter
and is an a/c curb on the building side of the drive proposed also?
• If the sidewalk is not required how will the slope be dealt with, will you put
in a retaining wall?
Mr. Brown replied:
• At the Staff Advisory Committee meeting it was indicated that a concrete
curb and gutter in the public right -of -way would be required and that it
would tie into an a/c curb on the property.
• Re the slope — it was proposed to use landscape to maintain it and to absorb
some of the water and not build a retaining wall.
Commissioner Keen comments:
1. Re Exhibit 'A', the previous elevations did not show the short retaining
wall that goes to the property line.
2. How far will the chimney project into the setback?
Mr. Brown replied:
• The previous elevation submitted was for the building itself and did not show
the retaining wall.
• The chimney projection would be no more than 18" per Development Code
requirements.
OPEN PUBLIC COMMENT
Commissioner Brown stated he believed that finding No. 3 could not be made for
the variance (re setbacks), and that the design of the house had dictated the
requirement for the variance. In addition, he was not convinced that the sidewalk
was unnecessary. Mr. Brown, the representative, replied that all the neighboring
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lots are 50 feet in width with 5 -foot setback requirements on each side. The
applicant's lot is 50 foot wide, but because it is a corner lot a 10 -foot setback is
required which reduces the building envelope. In addition, this lot is the smallest
lot in the area and the topography quite steep.
Chair Costello asked whether a house could be built on this lot with the same
square footage, but with the required setbacks? Mr. Brown replied that nothing is
impossible, but one of the main concerns with this project is the issue of the traffic
flow coming off Paseo Road. They have tried to maintain the building back far
enough, placing the garage on the side, so a safe approach to the road could be
met.
There was further discussion on the setback requirements and neighboring lots,
with Rob Strong closing the discussion stating that staff believes there are physical
difficulties and hardships associated with this property and if the findings can be
made staff recommends approval.
Heather Jenson, 569 May Street, owner of the property, stated that to make this
lot buildable it needs a variance. She and her husband owned a total of six lots
and this was the most difficult to build on and it was better to try to make these
Tots work and use infill in the City rather than look for other boundaries. Also,
when a sidewalk such as this goes to a private road it really is only a driveway for
the residents.
THE PUBLIC HEARING WAS CLOSED
Commissioner Guthrie recommended approval stating:
• The topography had created special conditions;
• It seems reasonable to allow a house comparable to the rest of the
neighborhood to be built;
• The sidewalk condition should be waived, as it does not go anywhere.
Commissioner Keen recommended approval stating:
• Sidewalks on the private road should not go further than the existing
retaining wall;
• The 5 -foot setback is acceptable because the amount of private road given
up for this lot makes the house even more difficult to build;
• There are houses close by that have already been built with front setbacks
so small that there is no room to park a car in front of the garages, so
special provisions have already been allowed on these neighboring Tots.
Commissioner Fowler said she could make the findings and stated:
• It is unlikely that a sidewalk would get heavy use as the road is too narrow;
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• The Housing Element promotes allowing the use of small and irregular size
lot development, increasing floor area ratios, and this property fits these
elements.
Commissioner Brown stated he agreed with Commissioner Guthrie's comments on
the sidewalk, but he could not make finding No. 3 of the variance with respect to
the setbacks.
Chair Costello stated most of his concerns had been satisfactorily addressed and he
could support the variance and could make all the findings for the setbacks and
sidewalks, but he would like to see the private road kept "private ", for safety
reasons, and the sidewalk end where the retaining wall is.
Commissioner Fowler made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Guthrie,
approving Variance Case No. 02 -002, excluding Condition of Approval No. 12 of
Exhibit 'A' and adopt:
RESOLUTION NO. 02 -1840
A RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE PLANNING
COMMISSION APPROVING VARIANCE CASE NO. 02 -002 TO DEVIATE
FROM THE SIDE YARD SETBACK AND SIDEWALK REQUIREMENTS OF THE
DEVELOPMENT CODE FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE, LOCATED ON
PASEO STREET, APPLIED FOR BY MARY MYERS
The motion was approved with the following roll call vote:
AYES: Commissioner's Fowler, Guthrie, Keen and Chair Costello
NOES: Commissioner Brown
ABSENT: None
The foregoing resolution was adopted this 2 day of July 2002.
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NON - PUBLIC HEARING - HOUSING ELEMENT UPDATE PRESENTATION -
PROCESS AND SCHEDULING OF WORKSHOPS
Kelly Heffernon, Program Manager, presented the process of the Housing Element
Update and scheduling of workshops.
The consensus of the Planning Commission was to advise City Council:
• A Local Housing Task Force should be formed, composed of between 10 and
20 members having a variety of expertise, to hold regular meetings for
technical review of the Housing Element Update.
• Quarterly public workshops should also be scheduled for update and review
during the next year.
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DISCUSSION ITEMS
Rob Strong presented the correspondence from The Highlands at Rancho Grande
Homeowner's Association (HOA), requesting approval to remove existing lawn size
restrictions. The Planning Commission unanimously denied the request stating that
lawn restrictions should not be removed nor relaxed, but more carefully monitored
and enforced. The Commission suggested that the HOA and the City compare per
capita water consumption for the Highlands with other single - family residential
developments in the area to determine if the intent of the water conservation is
being achieved.
PLANNING COMMISSION ITEMS AND COMMENTS
Commissioner Keen had a concern that the lots on Paseo Street only have a 5 -foot
setback in front of the garages and he would like to see some action taken to
prevent similar development in the future.
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR COMMENTS AND FOLLOW -UP
Rob Strong said the Long's project has closed escrow, building plans are being
developed, the City is in ownership of the expansion of the ponding basin lot and
grading and site preparation is commencing soon. The Courtland and Grand project
with the 108 senior housing units is also progressing; they are reapplying for the
tax credits and restudying the possibility to reduce the number of elevators by
reducing the number of buildings.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business before the Commission, the meeting was adjourned
at 8:20 p.m. on a motion by Commissioner Keen, seconded by Commissioner
Fowler, and unanimously carried.
ATTEST:
LY'N REARDON- SMITH,
COMMISSION CLERK
A - TO ON NT:
ROB STRONG,
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR
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PH M. COSTELLO, CHAIR
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