PC Minutes 2001-07-191
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ARROYO GRANDE PLANNING COMMISSION
MINUTES FOR GENERAL PLAN UPDATE HEARING
July 19, 2001
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Chair Costello called the meeting of the Planning Commission of the City of Arroyo
Grande to order at 6:30 p.m.
ROLL CALL
X Commissioner Brown
X Commissioner Fowler
X Commissioner Guthrie
X Vice -Chair Keen
X Chair Costello
I. STAFF PRESENTATIONS
A. Technical Report on circulation by Higgens & Associates.
The traffic study dealt with major streets such as freeways, arterials, highways,
minor arterials, collectors, ramps and zone connectors. The city is divided up into
Traffic Analysis Zones when it is studied. Forecasts are then given for the Traffic
Analysis Zones based on future land use in those areas. First studied were the
existing conditions of the streets. The traffic in the Grand Ave. corridor has gone
up roughly five to ten percent, and the traffic on Highway 101 has gone up about
four percent per year, which is much higher then state averages. The Brisco and
Halcyon interchange has operational problems, as well as Grand Ave. near Highway
101. There are a few intersections that need signals such as Corbett Canyon and
Wasna, as well as the Valley Rd. and Fair Oaks Rd. intersection.
We look at year 2020 for our future forecasts using the same zone structure and
new land uses. There are a few networks, or planning options, we looked at for
the future as well. The first network is a no build network which is basically the
existing street network with a couple of road improvements that are already
programmed. Another alternative shown is Highway 101 widened to six lanes.
Then we have modifications on the Brisco and Grand Ave. interchange, a diamond
interchange at El Campo with the Arroyo Linda development, and then we have a
hook ramp interchange at El Campo with and without the Arroyo Linda
development.
The SLOCOG data shows build out in 2010 at 18,676 people, but other data
shows buildout at 20,000 people. There is a slight difference between the
numbers because the SLOCOG numbers are external and do not have an electronic
back up, so the 18,000 number was generated internally from data given by
SLOCOG. Leval of service "C" is the allowable volume and is what we use for the
capacity in the model. In parts of Highway 101 we are probably using level "D"
service.
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All the changes and improvements made within the report are independent of one
another, we did not show combinations of changes. Regional growth is shown and
impacts numbers in Arroyo Grande.
B. Technical report on Land Use Areas.
The EIR identifies areas of change:
Area one is the church complex at James Way and Noyes Rd. It is currently
Planned Development (PD) on the 1990 General Plan, and it is to be a community
facility with this new General Plan update.
Area two is a 56 acre parcel that is undeveloped and designated PD area at the
Northwest end of the city adjacent to Equestrian and Noyes Rd. Residential
subdivisions exist to the east and the south, and the city limits exist to the west
and the north. It is currently PD and is proposed to have a conservation /open
space perimeter with a PD not to exceed thirty -five units max within the center. It
is subject to an EIR as well.
Area three is a 26.6 acre property in the Rancho Grande PD area. It is proposed to
be conservation /open space with one unit per five acres. There is a pending
vesting tentative map there now.
Area four is the western portion of the Royal Oak Estates in between the Rancho
Grande PD and the Royal Oaks PD. It is allowed institutional uses with a specific
approval and can have one home per parcel. It is suggested as a Single Family (SF)
low density PD on the western portion with conservation /open space on the
eastern portion.
Area five is a large area north of the city within the county and city's sphere of
influence. The current designation is non existant on the 1990 plan, but it is zoned
within the County as Residential, one to three acre lots. The proposal is to exclude
it from the sphere of influence. Also we would request that the county make the
area have a minimum lot size of two acres. We may keep a 35 acre parcel that is
along Highway 227 within the sphere, which is recommended within the EIR as
well. The 35 acre parcel is proposed to be residential with low density having one
parcel for every acre, but public response to this shows more people would like to
see two acre parcels.
Area six is Camino Mercado which is currently within a PD on the 1990 plan. It is
proposed to be a mixed use area ranging from hotel to office uses.
Area seven is divided into sub areas. Seven west is a SF residential area but is
proposed to be Village Commercial (VC) in the new General Plan. Seven north is
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along Tally Ho Rd. at the north edge of the Village and is suggested to stay single
family residential. Seven south is a combination of the highway and general
commercial in the 1990 plan and is proposed to be mixed use in the update. This
section also includes the Dorfman property on Cherry which is zoned Agriculture
(AG) and is proposed to stay AG in the new update. The Milton Hays property is
also AG in the 1990 plan and is proposed to be SF low density in the 2001 update.
Seven "E" is south of Arroyo Grande Creek and North of Cherry and is around
twenty two acres. Seven "E" has had a lot of public comment. The village
commercial district near the vacant Loomis lot includes single family homes and it
is proposed to be changed to multi - family medium -low density from village core.
The area to the south in seven "E" adjacent to Mason St. involves a change from
office to single family residential.
Area eight is divided into three parts. One part includes the Fredricks ALC property
north of Traffic way up to the city limits, is residential hillside and rural residential,
and is proposed to be a specific plan area with no specific designation. The area
within the sphere is shown separately as a specific plan reserve and is not a part of
the city's 1990 plan, it is currently zoned by the county as AG. There is an
addition of 200 acres known as the Williams property, and is proposed to become
part of the sphere of influence in the 2001 General Plan subject to LAFCO.
Area nine is the Valley Road Agriculture area, and its not shown in the city's 1990
plan because it is out of the city's limits. It is currently AG and is proposed to be
included within the city's sphere as AG.
Area ten is a ten acre vacant property, Farroll Ave, used as AG sandwiched
between single and multi family areas. It is currently zoned residential suburban
and would take a specific plan with a maximum of 25 units for development. The
proposal is to classify this land as PD and not require a specific plan for
development.
Area eleven is the surrounding area to the MU corridor proposed along Grand Ave.
involving Sunset and Alder St. These are recommended as single family which is
not a change from the current zoning.
Area twelve is the remainder of the corridor from Oak Park down to Grand Ave.
along El Camino Real. There are six classifications from the 1990 plan and they
are recommended to all be mixed use in the new 2001 plan.
We have the names and addresses of property owners that have requested
designations in the seven area.
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For Agricultural buffers a minimum of 200 feet is requested, but larger would be
better.
Question by Joe Costello: Are there qualifiers for LOS?
Higgens: Yes there are qualifiers and each city sets its criteria for the LOS.
II. PUBLIC TESTOMONY
1. Ed Dorfman: Farming is a business and not a hobby. Quoted AG sections and
gave opinions. Inclusionary zoning does not work. In lieu fees should be
optional. We need more housing .
2. Rural Estes, 811 East Cherry: We all want 4.5 or greater density in 7 E area.
The farm buffers should be taken away from the farm land. Cherry is 16 feet
wide.
3. Tony Janowitz: 447 Lirely Ln.: I think the area should be zoned 4.5 density.
4. Wayne King: I apologize for giving wrong address for the Van DerVeen property
last Tuesday; the correct address is 1273 Branch Mill Road.
Last evening you heard a lot about agriculture and soils so I'II not repeat what
has been discussed; except to say the Van DerVeen property is about the only
parcel being considered wherein all the design engineers, planners, and former
city councils intended the Greenwood Street, Tract 256, to be continued
eastward, to serve homesites. Tonight I formally and respectfully request this
parcel be included and the property designation changed to residential, medium
density with lot sizes minimum of 7500 sq. ft. And please consider the
following facts. Bruce has been denied the opportunity to drill a well; required
him to purchase City water to supply his residence even though City services
were located more than 400 feet away from his homesite. He also was denied
a septic system commonly found on agriculture land. His home is now hooked
up to the City sewer system presently in Greenwood Drive. Consequently, the
legal limitations imposed by our society and his moral obligations to the
neighbors imposes a financial hardship on Bruce Van DerVeen.
5. Otis Page, 606 Myrtle: Speaking for the Williams, they feel that the City is for
no growth. Things that should determine what happens with 7E area are water
and drainage. This town has a major problem getting traffic to Lopez. I object
to the presentation on the traffic study and the study should have been viewed
by the public for a review period.
6. Mike Titus 404 Lirely Ln: 7E does need to be rezoned for residential. The
density of the area to the west should be 2.5 unit /ac and the property to the
east should be 1 unit /ac. The AG setback, drainage, and the expansion of Lirely
Ln all need to be taken into consideration.
7. Karen Cross - Harmon: The wording of the plan should be looked at.
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8. Cvndi Oberq 613 Grove Ct: Living near Cherry Ln. I am concerned about
widening Cherry Ln. Water issues should also be looked at.
9. Ann Nichols 592 Hillside Ct: Worried about residential area she lives in and
does not want it changed from residential.
III. CONCLUSIONS AND QUESTIONS OF LAND USE DESIGNATIONS ON MAP
Conclusions on the twelve land use study areas and subareas. The following all
had consensus:
Area one: Consensus was on alternative "C" which is to reclassify from Planned
Development to Community Facility reflecting the existing church, related school
and off - street parking.
Area three Rancho Grande/ La Canada: to reclassify from Planned Development to
Conservation /Open Space and Planned Development combining designation (C /OS-
PD), allowing one dwelling per five acres (enabling up to five units subject to a PD
approval)
Area six Camino Mercado: reclassify the frontage of Camino Mercado from Planned
Development to Mixed Use with Planned Development, combining designation
except the cemetery that would be classified as Community Facility.
Area eight Fredrick /ALC and Williams Properties: Inside and Outside of City Limits
and Sphere of Influence:
• Reclassify the portion of the Fredrick /ALC property within the City from
Residential Rural and Residential Hillside, the latter requiring Specific Plan to a
"Specific Plan" classification without underlying land uses prescribed. (A
mapping error unintentionally excluding a 2 acres portion of this ownership
southwest of South Traffic Way extension should be corrected prior to LUE
adoption).
• Classify the 185 acres adjoining Frederick /ALC property outside the city limits
but within the LAFCO approved SOI as Specific Plan Reserve, and
• Classify the 201 acre separate "Williams Property" as Specific Plan Reserve
subject to LAFCO approval to include this property as part of the City's SOI
Area nine Valley Road Agriculture: These County, unincorporated area properties
surrounded by City limits should remain outside the City's sphere of influence, and
classified County Agriculture and nearby high school owned property within the
City limits should be reclassified from Agriculture to Community Facility to reflect
its public agency ownership.
Area ten Farroll Ave: The ten acre unsubdivided, agricultural use property classified
as Residential Suburban with a Specific Plan required, should be reclassified as
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Single Family Residential Low Medium Density, with a Planned Development
combining designation to encourage cluster residential planned development of
approximately 25 du and including possible expansion of Soto Sports Complex or
private park and recreation /ponding basin potential.
Area eleven East Grand Ave Mixed Use Corridor Boundaries (and adjoining
residential area density determinations) To retain the single family residential,
medium density classification for the subdivided, developed areas north and south
of the east Grand Ave. mixed use (former General Commercial classified
properties), except Alderhouse and two adjoining lots on Alder St. The site specific
exception would be reclassified from Senior Housing and Single Family Residential
to Multiple Family Residential, very high density with a Planned Development
combining designation (the exception being a refinement evolving from FEIR
response to comments)
The Planning Commission recommendations on the remainder of the Land Use
Study Areas 2,4,5,7 and 12 were accomplished by separate roll call votes for each
of the following areas and subareas:
Area two Rancho Grande at Noyes Road: The 53 +/- acres composed of two
parcels should be reclassified from Planned Development to
Conservation /OpenSpace ( allowing 1 du per parcel rather then with Planned
Development combining designation allowing up to 35 du maximum. Vote 3 -2:
With Brown Guthrie and Costello for and Fowler and Keen opposed.
Area four Royal Oak Estates: Reclassify from Planned Development to SFR -LD -PD
and C /OS, single family residential low density with planned development
combining designation allowing a maximum of 20 du at one du per 1.4 acre,
exclusive of the tree preservation easement area shown as C /OS. Vote 3 -2: with
Fowler, Keen and Guthrie for and Brown and Costello opposed.
Area five Prinz, Noyes and Oak Park Roads- Northern Sphere of Influence (S01):
Exclude entire SOI area outside current city limits from city's urban reserve and
request county referral to city council of all development proposals, subject to
county LUE amendment to require minimum parcel size of 2.5 acres per dwelling
unit. Revised the prior proposal to retain this as 35 acres within SOI adjoining
Highway 227 for potential Single Family residential, low density planned
development subject to annexation. Vote: 5 -0 Guthrie, Brown Keen, Fowler, and
Costello for, none opposed.
Area seven Village Mixed Use Boundaries and Uses: This Land Use Study Area was
discussed by geographic sub -areas and includes several controversial property
owner requests for reclassification:
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7Sa: Traffic Way Highway and General Commercial: Reclassify the General
Commercial classified and GC and HC zoned area south of the Village Core
area (generally south of Poole St.) to mixed use. Unanimous consensus.
7Sb: South of East Cherry Ave, East of Traffic Way- frontage (Dorfman and
Japanese Welfare Assoc.): Retain the current Agriculture classification unless
and until mitigation for conversion is provided consistent with the proposed
General Plan policies. (See Ag 1 -4.2 and Ag 3 -14). Vote 3 -2 Guthrie,
Brown, and Costello for and Fowler and Keen opposed.
7W: Single Family Residential Subdivision West of the Village: Retain SFR -
MD subdivided area along Larchmont, Wilton, and West Branch between
Wesly and Vernon Ave. as Single Family Residential Medium Density.
Unanimous consensus.
7N: Single Family Residential North Side of Le Point North of the Village:
Retain as SFR -LD the residential rural zoned and developed lots on the
hillside slopes north of Le Point St. Unanimous Consensus
7Ea: South Side of East Branch Adjoining Arroyo Grande Creek at East Edge
of Village: Reclassify from Village Commercial to SFR -MD and Village Core
the properties east of junction of Crown Terrace and East Branch St.
Unanimous Consensus at the July 25, 2001 continued Meeting.
7Eb: East Myrtle, East Cherry and East Cherry Extension East of Noguera
Place South of Arroyo Grande Creek, Include Lierly Lane: Reclassify from
residential rural to single family residential, medium density (SFR -MD) the
entire 22 acre area subject to a neighborhood development plan including
infrastructure improvements (streets, water, sewer, drainage, parks etc.)
providing for agriculture buffer to southeast and commercial /open space
along Arroyo Grande Creek to north and east. Vote 4 -1 Keen, Fowler,
Guthrie and Costello for and Brown opposed.
7Ec: Nelson Green area East of Mason and South of Nelson St. South of
Arroyo Grande Creek: Reclassify from Village Commercial and Office, the
south side of Nelson Street and east side of Mason St. to single family
residential medium density. Unanimous consensus in response to public
comment.
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Area twelve El Camino Real: Reclassify from residential suburban multiple family
office, general commercial and industrial the area along El Camino Real to Mixed
Use with the clarification that the former industrial classification would continue to
be allowed or conditionally permit light industrial/ industrial manufacturing uses.
Unanimous Consensus.
A vote was made with all in favor to continue the meeting, motion was made by
Commissioner Brown and seconded by Commissioner Guthrie. Meeting Will Be
continued on July 25, 2001 at 6:30 pm in the City Hall.
Public comments for the Planning Commission is now closed.
III. ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was adjourned by Chair Costello at 11:30 p.m.
ATTEST:
Ryan Hostetter, Acting Commission Clerk
AS TO CONT
Kerry McCants
NT:
Communi D elopment Director
ph ostello, Chair
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