PC Minutes 1984-07-17ARROYO GRANDE PLANNING COMMISSION
July 17, 1984
The Arroyo Grande Planning Commission met in regular session with Vice
Chairman Moots presiding. Present are Commissioners Carr, Fischer, Moore,
Olsen and Soto. Chairman Gerrish is absent. Planning Director Eisner and
Associate Planner Stonier are also in attendance.
COMMUNICATIONS
Commissioner Carr commented that he had attended the City Council
meeting last week when they discussed the proposed Parking Ordinance. He
stated they indicated they were looking at moving certain uses out of the
industrial category to a different category, which would increase the parking
requirements for those uses. Commissioner Carr stated his feelings that the
Council should be discouraged from making those changes; we are talking about
industrial manufacturing type uses as opposed to retail sales uses and, in his
opinion, these uses should be kept in the industrial type category. He stated
if the use is not in public sales, he does not see the need for increased
parking. He further commented that the County Management Plan discourages
having parking for every car to encourage more car - pooling.
Planning Director Eisner advised that the Council was looking at uses
such as plumbing shops, cabinet shops, etc., as places that do a retail level
of business as, well as manufacturing, and it was their feeling that those uses
should have a category of their own with more parking because they attract
customers.
Commissioner Carr stated he doesn't like to see someone who is in
manufacturing and has two employees, having to put in 10 spaces just because
of the square footage of the building.
P[JBLIC HEM - USE PERMIT SAE N_ 84 -377, MINI- STGRAGE FACILITY, 1166 GRAND
EVE UE IN um HIGBWAY S> ICE7 DISTRICT. (ORRIN S /RUN HARRIS) .
Planning Director Eisner advised the application for a mini storage
facility has been before the Commission before, both individually and as part
of a larger project for the property. He commented that the application
before the Commission this evening is basically a renewal of the Use Permit
application for the mini- storage. Mr. Eisner reviewed the staff report, dated
July 17, 1984. He commented that the Staff Advisory Committee has recommended
that the access out to Grand Avenue be eliminated because of traffic on Grand,
and that the major access be brought out to Brisco Road.
Upon being assured by Planning Director Eisner that public hearing for
Use Permit Case No. 84 -377 had been duly published and property owners
notified, Vice Chairman Moots declared the hearing open.
Jim McGillis, Surveyor with San Luis Engineers, representing the
applicant, spoke in favor of the Use Permit being granted, and gave a brief .
review of the history of the property. He stated that a mini storage facility
had been approved for this site in 1983 and, at that time, the approval
included access to Grand Avenue. He stated they tried to put that project
together, but it didn't make sense financially, so they redesigned it,
expecting the same conditions to apply. Mr. McGillis referred to the
recommended conditions listed in the staff report, dated July 17, 1984,
requiring a 24 ft. paved access from Brisco Road and improve water line on
Brisco Road. He commented that, basically, under a development plan or
building permit, the City can only require those improvements that need to be
mitigated by the building being done, and to try to put the road improvements
and the water line on the proposed development would shut down the mini
storage. Mr. McGillis pointed out that the project was approved a little over
a year ago by Paul Karp, who was Acting Planning Director at that time, and
the applicants are requesting that those conditions that were not on the
original approval of June 21, 1983 be deleted.
Mr. Ron Harris, one of the applicants for the Use Permit, spoke in
favor of the proposal, and briefly described the proposed parking and driveway
plan. He noted that it has been planned that subsequently a driveway would be
put in where Mr..Figueredo's welding shop is now on Brisco Road, however, it
was their intention to leave him there as long. as possible until the lower
half is developed. With reference to the water line, Mr. Harris stated he
doesn't think the City can require that the developer put in the 8" water
line; the State standard for a Use Permit is considered reasonable and
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allowable only if it is necessary to take care of service demands by the
development and, in his opinion, a watchman's quarters does not require
putting in an 8" water main. Mr. Harris also questioned the requirement for a
wall at the back of the property between this property and the residential
property. He noted that the back of the building is concrete block and there
is landscaping there and, if a wall is required back there to hide something,
it would require a 20 ft. wall; there is an existing wood fence in back of the
duplexes or triplexes. Planning Director Eisner noted that the wall is to
provide a sound barrier. He stated that a 6 ft. wooden wall would suffice.
Upon hearing no further comments for or against the proposed Use
Permit, Vice Chairman Moots declared the hearing closed.
Commissioner Carr questioned whether or not it would be appropriate to
require the access to Brisco Road within a reasonable period of time to
eliminate more traffic going out on to Grand Avenue. Vice Chairman Moots
recommended that another condition be added to assure that all of the storage
take place within the units, and that no outside storage be allowed, including
vehicles. With regard to the Brisco access, he stated there needs to be some
kind of time frame to get that in and to eliminate the one on Grand Avenue.
He stated he felt the other conditions should be left as recommended and, if
the applicants disagree, they could appeal to the Council.
After further discussion, the following action was taken:
RESOLUTION NO. 84 -1002
A RE9OLLPITON OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE
CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE GRANTING A USE PERMIT,
CASE NO. 84 -377, APPLIED FOR BY ORRIN DOCKS AND
RON HARRIS FOR A MINI - STORAGE FACILITY AT 1166
GRAND AVENUE IN THE HIGHWAY SERVICE DISTRICT.
On motion by Commissioner Carr, seconded by Commissioner Olsen, and by
the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Carr, Fischer, Moore, Olsen,
Soto -and Vice Chairman Moots
NOES: None
ABSENT: Chairman Gerrish
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 17th day of July 1984.
Planning Director Eisner advised that this matter is finaled with the
Planning Commission unless appealed to the City Council within ten days.
PUBLIC HEARTNG - 3I,5E PERMIT OF NO. 84 -378, BE= f'4$ A MASTER SIGNING IP ,AN
MI LIZ GRAND& MOM .I AM MILE CAL LENDER' S RES'TAUBMIT . BRANCH M AM
MK Ma BLVD.. DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. (CN SIGNS gNl GRAPHICS,
AGENTS EQ$ APPLICANZS) .
Associate Planner, Linda Stonier, advised that the request is for
approval of a master signing program for the motel and the restaurant. The
applicant has submitted a series of alternatives, which are outlined in the
staff report. Ms. Stonier briefly reviewed the alternatives and the staff
recommendations.
Upon being assured by Planning Director Eisner that public hearing for
Use Permit Case No. 84 -378 had been duly published and property owner
notified, Vice Chairman Moots declared the hearing open.
Mr. Carlos Moreman, representing CN Signs and Graphics, introduced Mr.
Lee Webb, applicant. Mr. Webb advised that they are asking for exactly what
the Planning staff is recommending, but they would like to have the sign 38
ft. high. He stated that with the present sign arrangement, they are
suffering an identification problem.
Upon hearing no further comments for or .against the proposed Use
Permit, Vice Chairman Moots declared the hearing closed.
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Planning Director Eisner commented that, according to Mr. Webb's
statement, the alternatives have been eliminated and what the applicant is
asking for now is the addition of the Marie Callender's sign, relocation, and
38 ft. height. With regard to the height, Mr. Webb pointed out that the Motor
Inn gets 90% of their business off of the freeway, and unless the sign is at
least 38 ft. high, it will not be visable to the southbound traffic.
After discussion, the Commission indicated they were in agreement with
staff's recommendations and the following action was taken.
RESOLUTION NO. 84.10,03
RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COPMMISSION OF
THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE GRANTING A USE
PERMIT, CASE NO. 84 -378, APPLIED FOR BY C/N
SIGNS AND GRAPHICS FORA SIGNING PLAN FOR
CASA GRANDE MOTOR INN AND MARIE CALLENDER'S
RESTAURANT IN THE PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT,
WEST BRANCH STREET AND OAK PARK BOULEVARD.
On motion by Commissioner Carr, seconded by Commissioner Fischer, and
by the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Carr, Fischer, Moore, Olsen,
Soto and Vice Chairman Moots
NOES: None
ABSENT: 'Chairman Gerrish
the foregoing resolution was adopted this 17th day of July 1984.
Planning Director. Eisner advised. that, because this is a "P-D" zone, the
matter will automatically go to the City Council for their approval.
EMIC HEARING - RIM= SAM NO. 84 -98. REDDEST MR VARTANC E 7 t a 211E mum
Lat Nma REQUIRED "R -3" DISTRICT, ITLE A 10 MI APARTMENT I „ 180
BRISCO ROAD. (KUDEN /FRADES).
- Associate Planner Stonier reviewed the staff report, dated July 17,
1984. She pointed out that in order for the Commission to grant a Variance,
according to State law, certain findings must be made; that because of special
circumstances applicable to the property, including size, shape, topography,
location or surroundings, the strict application of the Zoning Ordinance is
found to deprive the subject property of privileges enjoyed by other
properties in the vicinity and under identical zoning classifications. She
stated that the Staff Advisory Committee felt that the proposed project does
not meet the requirements for such findings to grant the variance, and this
viewpoint was concurred with by the City Attorney.
Upon being assured by Planning Director Eisner that public hearing for
Variance Case No. 84 -98 had been duly published and property owners notified,
Vice Chairman Moots declared the hearing open.
Jim MdGillis, 132 Bridge Street, spoke, representing the applicants.
He noted that the project meets all of the ordinance requirements relative to
coverage and setbacks, and they can meet the 24 ft. driveway requirement.. He
stated that the problem is, basically, one of density, and the request for a
variance is based on justice and history. He reviewed that the City wanted
this property into the city limits and the property owners were told that if
they agreed to come into the City, that nothing would be changed. Now, the
City wants to widen Brisco Road and, after the required dedication for the
road, the applicants will only qualify for 9.5 units instead of 10. He
pointed out that there is a 10 unit apartment right next door on a parcel of
property exactly the same size as the subject property. Mr. John Kuden and
Manny Frades, applicants, spoke in favor of granting of the Variance.
Upon hearing no further•conunents from the audience, Vice Chairman
Moots declared the hearing closed.
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After a brief discussion among the Commissioners, the following action
was taken:
RESOLUTION NO. 84 - 100.4
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF
THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE DENYING A VARIANCE,
CASE NO. 84 -98.
On motion by Commissioner Fischer, seconded by Commissioner Carr,. and
by the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Carr, Fischer, Olsen, Soto and
Vice Chairman Moots
NOES: None
ABSTAIN: Commissioner Moore
ABSENT: Chairman Gerrish
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 17th day of July 1984.
Planning Director Eisner advised that this matter is finaled with the
Planning Commission unless appealed to the City Council within 10 days.
Emacazeuu=a2MTIM TRACT 118E NO. 1132 (REVISED), "RANCHO GRANDE° AM
PROPOSED AMBER= LELINANCE 186 C.S. IBOURDON BURKARr, AMU BE
OTTSE. INC.)
Planning Director Eisner advised that the combined submission is
required to meet specific conditions established by the gas company, and to
complete certain other contractual obligations that are a part of the Rancho
Grande development. The adjustments are considered minor in nature and do not
represent substantial conceptual changes to the overall development plan. He
stated the tentative tract map is being revised to permit a clear easement
through the Rancho Grande property to meet the needs of a major gas line
passing across the site. Mr. Eisner pointed out that the number of lots in
the subdivision has not changed (134), and the only substantive change is the
removal of a cul- de-sac and the creation of a loop street system, which is
felt by staff to be a substantial improvement - to the overall project design.
He further advise& that the . ordinance amendment is necessary only to modify'
Exhibit "A ", a project design map attached to Ordinance 186 C.S. Mr. Eisner
stated that one modification to conditions is requested by the applicants, and
recommended by staff, which is a result of the Oak Knoll project being deleted
from the improvement district. That modification reads as follows:
"The developer is to construct James Way between Rancho Parkway
and the existing development to the following sections:
Full width, grading and minimum drainage; pavement 24 ft.
on center of 2" asphaltic concrete over an approved 6" base;
minimum utilities necessary to serve the tract with water and
sewer are not required (these are to be installed by the
adjacent property developer); curb, gutter and sidewalk on
James Way adjacent to Lots 30, 31 and 32."
Mr. Eisner advised there is another item relating to this project,
which will be coming to the Commission in about four weeks, and that is a lot
line adjustment which has been recommended for inclusion in Exhibit "A" of
Ordinance 186 C.S. Since this is substantially a technical matter, and to
avoid having to modify the ordinance a second time, the Commission is
requested to include this change in Exhibit "A" at this time. Mr. Eisner
noted that two separate actions are required at this time: (1) Approval of
Tract Map 1132 as revised, and (2) approval of a proposed amendment to
Ordinance 186 C.S.
Upon being assured by Planning Director Eisner that public hearing for
proposed amendment to Ordinance 186 C.S. and the revision to Tentative Tract
Map No. 1132 had been duly published and property owners notified, Vice
Chairman Moots declared the hearing open.
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Jim Garing, of Garing, Taylor & Associates, engineers for the project,
spoke in favor of the amendments, and stated he is available to answer any
questions the Commission may have.
Hearing no further comments from the audience, Vice Chairman Moots
declared the hearing closed.
Planning Director Eisner stated that, basically, what is needed is a
resolution of action of Tentative Tract Map 1132, which takes into account the
revision of the lots and the street alignment and, secondly, a motion of
recommendation to the City Council approving an amendment to Ordinance 186
C.S., which substitutes a revised Exhibit "A ". Also, we are revising
the wording to the conditions of the tract map as noted in a, b and c
listed in the letter dated June 29, 1984 from Lyon, Miller & Walter
taken:
After a brief discussion by the Commission, the following action was
On motion by Commissioner Moore, seconded by Commissioner Carr, and by
the following roll call vote, to wit:
by the
ATTEST:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
the foregoing.
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
the foregoing
RESOLUTION NO. 84 -1005
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF
THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE RECOMMENDING TO
THE CITY COUNCIL APPROVAL OF THE REVISED
TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP OF TRACT NO. 1132
FILED BY BOURDON & BURKART, AGENTS FOR OTTSE,
INC., SUBJECT TO CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
-Commissioners:Carr, Fischer, Moore, Olsen,
`Soto and Vice Chairman Moots
None
Chairman Gerrish
resolution was adopted this 17th day of July, 1984.
RESOLUTION NO. 84 -106,6
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF
THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE RECOMMENDING TO
THE CITY COUNCIL AN AMENDMENT TO ORDINANCE
186 C.S., EXHIBIT "A ", RANCHO GRANDE
CONCEPTUAL MASTER PLAN.
On motion by Commissioner Carr, seconded by Commissioner Fischer,
following roll call vote, to wit:
Commissioners Carr, Fischer, Moore, Olsen,
Soto and Vice Chairman Moots
None
Chairman Gerrish
Resolution was adopted this 17th day of July, 1984.
AAJOURNMEN
There being no further business before the Commission, the meeting was
adjourned by Vice Chairman Moots at 9 :45 P.M.
Vice Chairman
and
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