PC Minutes 1978-04-18490
Arroyo Grande Planning Commission
April 18, 1978
The Arroyo Grande Planning Commission met in regular session with Vice Chair-
person Cole presiding, Present were Commissioners Moots, Ries, Simmons and
Vandeveer. Chairman Gerrish and Commissioner Harris were absent. Planning Director
Castro and Planner Sullivan were also in attendance.
MINUTE APPROVAL
There being no additions or corrections, the minutes of the regular meeting of
April 4, 1978 were approved by Vice Chairperson Cole as submitted.
REQUEST FOR ZONING ORDINANCE CLARIFICATION (DR. FREITAS).
Planning Director Castro advised the Commission that he had received a call
from Steven Cool, Attorney for Dr. Freitas, requesting that the matter be continued
to the next regular meeting. On motion by Commissioner Vandeveer, seconded by
Commissioner Moots, and unanimously carried, the matter was continued to the next
regular meeting of May 2, 1978.
STUDY SESSION - SIGN ORDINANCE
Planning Director Castro advised that in view of the lengthy items on the agenda,
staff would request that this matter be continued to the next regular meeting of May
2, 1978.
PUBLIC HEARING - USE PERMIT CASE NO. 78 -276, FREE STANDING SIGN, 1192 GRAND AVE.,
(SANTA MARIA NEON FOR WES JOHNSON).
Upon being assured by Planning Director Castro that public hearing for Use Permit
Case No. 78 -276 had been duly published, posted and property owners notified, Vice
Chairperson Cole declared the hearing open.
Planning Director Castro referred to the site plan noting the location of the
proposed sign. He further referred to the sign elevation, stating the total height
requested is 24' 10" above grade, and that 50 ft. is the maximum height subject to
obtaining a Use Permit; also the square footage allowed is 300 sq. ft. and in this
case the applicant is proposing 298 sq. ft. Mr. Castro recommended that the public
hearing be opened and continued to the next meeting to allow the staff time to work
with the applicant as it is staff's feeling that the sign in its present form is in
excess of what is needed. He displayed some photographs of the area, pointing out
staff's concerns of the unsightliness of Grand Avenue as it is right now. He further
requested that if the Commission is not disposed to grant the continuance of the
public hearing, then staff would recommend denial of this Use Permit.
Mr. Gene Laird, Santa Maria Neon, stated the existing sign that is there now
is larger than the one they are proposing; it is 168 ft. on one side and they are
proposing roughtly 149 square feet. He further pointed out that the applicant
wanted to move the sign over to the westerly side of the property to get away from
the driveway.
Mr. Wes Johnson, 1344 Capistrano, Shell Beach, petitioner for the sign, stated
that the sign is a clean sign, it looks good, and they have had many comments on the
appearance of the sign compared to what is existing there right now, and he felt the
square footage was necessary; they. are a small business and they are trying to grow
with the community. Mr. Johnson stated that turning them down at this point is going
to create somewhat of a hardship on the business, in that they are presently moving
and will be out of their old location by May 1st, and hopefully will be having their
grand opening a week or two after May 1st. He further stated that what they are
asking for is well underneath the height limit, they are under the maximum limit of
the size of the sign and he couldn't see any real problem with it.
Planning Director Castro stated that when he had talked to Mr. Johnson regard-
ing the sign, Mr. Johnson was told that the sign would be subject to review. He
pointed out that there are a number of items that staff has to review in a specific
time, and that staff is now reviewing the sign ordinance with regard to height, size
and the total effect of signs on Grand Avenue.
After further discussion, on motion by Commissioner Ries, seconded by Commissioner
Vandeveer, and unanimously carried, the public hearing was continued to the next regu-
lar meeting of May 2, 1978 to give the staff and petitioner a chance to further
review the proposed sign;
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PUBLIC HEARING - REZONING CASE NO 78 -117, STAGE COACH ROAD, "RA -B3" TO' "R -1"
DISTRICT (ZOGATA);
Upon being assured by Planning Director Castro that public hearing for Rezoning
Case No, 78 -117 had been duly posted, published and property owners notified, Vice
Chairperson Cole declared the hearing open.
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Planning Director Castro advised that staff has met with Mr. Zogata, the property
owner, and have expressed to him some of the concerns regarding the low density classi-
fication that he is requesting, primarily due to the amount of grading it could entail,
and because of the rolling terrain of the property. Mr. Zogata has concurred with staff
that the matter be continued for two weeks so that staff can meet with Mr. Zogata and
his engineer to review what tentative plans they may have for the property. Mr.• Zogata
was present and stated he agreed that the matter be continued. Vice Chairperson Cole
advised that public hearing for Rezoning Case Noe 78 -117 would be continued to the May
2nd meeting, and that the Request for Negative Declaration would also be considered at
that time
PUBLIC HEARING - PROPOSED AMENDMENT TO THE GENERAL PLAN AND ZONING MAP,
Planning Director Castro advised that staff would recommend that the public hearing
on the matter of the General Plan and the Zoning Map be opened this evening and con-
tinued for the reason that the Negative Declarations were not advertised, which is
necessary before the Commission can take any action on the General Plan or Zoning Map.
He further advised that in discussing the matter with City Attorney Shipsey, the
General Plan Map has to be reviewed first, and than a two week delay is required before
the zoning map is considered. Staff proposes to review the first phase of zoning on May
16th, and the second phase of the zoning matter is scheduled to be reviewed on June 6th,
Mr. Castro displayed the zoning map and stated he would advise the Commission of
some of the comments received for their information at this point in time, however,
staff is recommending that the Commission open and continue the public hearing.
Mr. Castro advised that petitions have been received, but that staff has not yet
had time to review them and make copies for the Commission. There is a petition with
54 signatures of the residents and owners of Western Addition presently zoned "R -1 ",
and they are opposed to the "R -2" zoning. There is also a letter from Mr. Glenn Peters
requesting that the property at El Camino Real and Oak Park Boulevard remain "H -S"
instead of the recommended change to "P -C" District. Mr. Castro advised that_the only
significant distinction between the two districts is that a service station would not
be permitted in the "P -C" District.
Planning Director Castro referred to the zoning map which was published in the
paper, stating staff has received numerous calls within the two week period and have
reconsidered some of the recommendations, not necessarily because of public reaction, .
but because of what exists on the property. Staff is recommending that the "P -D"
District suggested for the Halcyon Hills, Rancho Grande, the property that fronts on
Printz Road, the "P -D" on the Grande Highlands project, and the Planned Development
suggested along Branch Mill Road be reverted back to an "A" District. He stated that,
basically, what they were trying to accomplish here was not necessarily to give any-
body any zoning or density consideration, but to protect the development of the land,
and staff feels that the "P -D" offers more protection than the "A" District would.
Mr. Castro stated staff has also considered some of the concerns of the citizens of
the community; that is to say phasing, density controls, orderly development, and
building on the hillsides and let the low level grounds remain in the open space or
agricultural use, and we are trying to accomplish a lot of that policing and pro-
tection through the "P -D" District. Mr. Castro further stated he feels that the
controls we are looking for in terms of phasing and zoning are not to be found in
the District that you give the land, but in the Ordinance prepared for phasing and
density.
Mr. Castro advised that staff is recommending that some of the "C -N" and "P -M"
that fronts on Grand Avenue be considered for "H -S ", in that staff feels it is a more
reasonable use because it doesn't have as many restrictions on the sizes of the
buildings as opposed to the "C -N" District, and staff also feels that the develop-
ment on Grand Avenue would be . enhanced by the Highway Service rather than the Planned
Manufacturing zone, He pointed out that the strawberry fields have been suggested
for Planned Manufacturing by the General Plan for some years, but the zoning was
never changed, and this is one of the conflicts that we have. Both documents have
to be brought into conformance as required by the State Law. If, for some reason,
there is.a dispute or disagreement as to what the General Plan is saying, then you.
have to change the zoning or change the General Plano
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Planning Director Castro referred to the rezoning application pending on Farroll
Avenue, stating it is a reasonable review because of the application before the
Commission. He stated with regard to the multiple zoning on Elm Street and possibly
Linda Drive, staff is suggesting that be reverted back to the "R -3" zoning. We would
be creating more problems with the non- conforming uses than we would accomplish by re-
vising the map. Also, with regard to the properties on Brighton Avenue that were sug-
gested for "R -2" zoning, we are going to leave as "R -3" because of the condominiums
that are there now. Again, it is a question of whether you want the non - conforming
use, or whether you want the property to remain in conformance.
With regard to Western Addition, Planning Director Castro advised this is noted
in the General Plan as a medium density or multiple type development, and what we
were trying to do was to bring the zoning into conformance with that, but if the
Commission is disposed in keeping that "R -1 ", then we should change the General Plan
to low density.
With regard to the "R -G" on Rena Street, we are leaving as "R -3 ", and the
propertiesat the extreme end, which is Dodson Way, we are leaving as "R -2 ", again
because of the non- conformance, it wouldn't pay to change the zoning at this time.
Mr. Castro stated we are continuing with the "A" District for the agricultural lands
which are either Prime I, II, III or IV classification. The "P -M" which is in the
high school area is not intended for that area; the arrow points to the property
over on East Cherry, east of Traffic Way. The City Council and the Chamber of
Commerce has expressed concern for a need for industrial land within the City, and
we are recommending that location as one possibility if that is where the City wants
to locate industrial development.
Planning Director Castro pointed out that on the "R -3 ", there have been a lot of
calls on the property on Allen Street, between Allen and East Cherry, and to retain
that in "R -1" is of no concern to staff at this time; staff was merely trying to bring
a compatible use with what is north of Allen Street and to buffer the Traffic Way
Highway Service District. Regardless of whether you retain that in "R -1" or whatever,
you still have a problem with the Highway Service. definition here. The Highway
Service in the General Plan extends further into those properties on Allen Street,
between Allen and Cherry, so there will have to be some cleaning up there.
The Professional Office bordering on Nelson abutting the Central Business District
staff is recommending that as a reasonable use to bring in professional people, traffic
and employment into that area. Staff is trying to re- define the C -B -D as to when you
enter the downtown area at what point does it begin, and we are merely suggesting that
the entrance of Branch and Traffic Way be the beginning point which is now zoned for
Highway Service. Again, there is very little distinction between Highway Service and
C -B -D, except that C -B -D is a better classification for downtown development.
With regard to the Loomis property, Mr. Castro advised they are trying to clean
it up a little bit; they have four zonings right now. They have multiple, C -B -D,
Professional Commercial and Planned Manufacturing, so we are trying to clean up the
property and bring it into conformance. He stated that, basically, there are very
few problems in the area on the north side of the City.
A gentleman in the audience inquired why the parcel of property on Farroll Avenue
next to the mobilehome park is being proposed for "R -3" when it is residential. Mr.
Castro advised that the City was approached by the people that bought the property and
they indicated they had an interest for multiple use. We have been looking at that
property for sometime and trying to anticipate what kind of a use would be a better
buffer between the mobilehcme park and the single family residences on Carmella
Street, and we suggested to the applicant that we would entertain an application for
some multiple development. The density they are proposing is not as great as the
"R -3" would be; they are quite large units being proposed and they are more of a
family type facility.
Mr. Bill Galentine, 703 Cornwall Ave., stated he brought in the petition with
54 signatures of residents of the Western Addition area. Mr. Galentine stated that
most of the residents have lived there for a long time and that they do wish the
zoning to remain as "R -1" District and not be changed to "R -2
Elizabeth Jackson, 208 Fair View Drive, stated she is pleased that this City
is going to be operating legally by bringing. the General Plan and Zoning Map into
conformance. She stated, however, she has toured the entire area and, in her opinion,
the proposed rezonings to apartments, duplexes, etc., will devalue the neighborhoods
on the west side of the freeway. Planning Director Castro advised that staff is not
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requesting any multiple zoning; the multiple zoning is already existing with the
exception of the proposed zone change on Farroll Road.
Mr. Carl Hogan, 1255 Poplar Street, referred to the area which was zoned "R -3"
ten years ago, and the City rezoned it to "C -N" for Williams Bros. shopping center,
and now they want to rezone it back to "R -1 ". Planning Director Castro advised, as
he had discussed with Mr. Hogan previously, one of the concerns that staff had was
the "C -N" District fronting on the residential neighborhood. And, as Mr. Hogan
advised him at that time, he had no intentions of redeveloping the property at this
time. Mr. Castro further pointed out he has no quarrel with the "R -3" zoning, and
the "R -1" was merely a suggestion as a holding zone until Mr. Hogan is ready to
develop the property.
Mr. Roy Burke, 917 Bennett Avenue, stated he has the building supply yard on
Bennett Avenue, and requested clarification to the proposal to rezone the area to
Highway Service District; would this make the building supply yard a non - conforming
use? Planning Director Castro advised that the Highway Service District requires
that the type of usage Mr. Burke has be within an enclosed building and, in fact,
the "P -M" District that is there now also has the same requirement, so the usage is
basically a non - conforming use now.
Evelyn Tallman, 532 Carol Place, stated they were concerned about the traffic
problem in that area, advising that the 4 -way Stop at Farroll and Elm Street is a
hazard and if 30 more units go in on Farroll, this will add about 60 or more cars.
She further stated they would like to keep the multiple units on the other side of
the street if possible. Planning Director Castro advised that the traffic concern
would be reviewed.
Mr. Grieb, of the Grieb Estate, spoke with regard to the property on Fair Oaks
Avenue zoned as "A" District, stating it is crazy to try to farm in the City and pay
the taxes they have to pay now. Planning Director Castro advised that the text of
the General Plan has to be changed if the City wants to reclassify those lands.
After further discussion, Vice Chairperson Cole continued the public hearing
on the first phase of the zoning map to the Planning Commission meeting of May 16th,
and advised that the public hearing on the second phase of the zoning map would be
scheduled for June 6th. She further advised that the public hearing on the General
Plan would be held at the regular Planning Commission meeting of May 2, 1978.
REVIEW COMMITTEE ACTION - LOT SPLIT CASE NO. 78 -292, 141 SO. ELM ST. (GARING AND TAYLOR).
Planner Sullivan advised that Lot Split Case No. 78 -292 had been denied due to
lot size and dimensions. Commissioner Vandeveer stated he was present at the meeting,
and that the applicant had agreed with the denial.
SUBDIVISION REVIEW - TRACT NO, 555 "OAK CREST ESTATES ",
After further discussion, the following action was taken:
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HUASNA ROAD.
Planner Sullivan advised the Commission that this matter was presented a few
months ago wherein the Negative Declaration was denied and a Focus Report was re-
quired. The applicant is re- filing for the entire tract at this time. There are
91 lots involved; the zoning is "R -1 ", and the General Plan allows a density of
405 dwelling units per acre, and this development proposes 3.8 units per acre.
Also, the development is proposed to be built in four. phases. Mr. Sullivan re-
viewed the conditions of the Subdivision Review Board, dated April 13, 1978.
There was some discussion with regard to Chief Clark's memo, dated April 17,
1978, pointing out that some of the proposed street names for the tract would be in
conflict or similar to other street names in the area. Planning Director Castro
advised that any changes of street names would have to come before the Commission
for approval.
Commissioner Simmons pointed out concern that the houses on the ridge could
have their view blocked by neighboring houses. Planning Director Castro advised
that the only height control which is permitted in the Ordinance is 30 ft. for
single family residences, however, the Commission could condition the approval of
the tract subject to review of the development plans for these properties.
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RESOLUTION NO. 78 -606
RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
ARROYO GRANDE APPROVING TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP NO.
555 "OAK CREST ESTATES ", AND REFERRAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL
FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY,
On motion by Commissioner Vandeveer, seconded by Commissioner Ries, and by the
'following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Moots, Ries, Simmons, Vandeveer and Vice
Chairperson Cole
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Harris and Chairman Gerrish
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 18th day of April 1978.
REQUEST FOR NEGATIVE DECLARATION - TRACT NO. 555 "OAK CREST ESTATES ", HUASNA ROAD
Planner Sullivan pointed out that there is a small area approximately 3 or 4
acres of Class I soil, and that Item 3 on the second page is conditioning and amend-
ing the Negative Declaration by the addition of the Focus Study, and the mitigations
developed in that report will become requirements.
There being no further discussion, the following action was taken:
RESOLUTION NO. 78 -607 EIR
RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
ARROYO GRANDE ACCEPTING NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT
DECLARATION AS AMENDED.
On motion by Commissioner Simmons, seconded by Commissioner Vandeveer, and by
the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Moots, Ries, Simmons, Vandeveer and Vice
Chairperson Cole
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Harris and Chairman Gerrish
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 18th day of April 1978.
SAN LUIS BAY PLAN
Planning Director Castro /advised that the Planning Commission has held two
study sessions on this matter, which was continued to allow staff time to determine
the net acreages being referred to within the Sphere of Influences He noted there
are 371 acres being considered within the /Sphere of Influence of the City, and that
26 acres along Printz Road be left out -in the County, with a net yield of 345. Mr.
Castro further pointed out this is 'not implying that this property has to be
brought into the City at this in time, but merely identifying to LAFCO that
the city does have an interest in those properties with regard to drainage, cir-
culation and possible service areas in the future.
In answer to Commissioner Ries' question regarding de- annexation, Planning
Director Castro advised that staff has looked at the question as to the benefits
to the City in continuing with the little island on Printz Road. Staff has looked
at the utility systems and have been advised by the Public Works Department that
it would be necessary to bring utilities from 227 on to Printz Road to serve these
properties, and that in so doing you are, in fact, encouraging possible annexation
growth in this area, which is primarily County in character, and to serve this area
with police and fire services with just that single piece of land is certainly not
in the best interests of the City. Staff felt that the recommended common boundary
line is a logical extension of the city limits for the time being, and that the 82
acres can be served through the extension of James Way, and utilities could be ex-
tended without necessarily going beyond into County areas.
Peggy Langworthy, Printz Road, commented with regard to the /Loundary, stating
that it follows the ridge top and, in her opinion, it seems to be more sensible to
pick this particular boundary at that location simply because it is a geographical
land division, and not just a road on a map.
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Commissioner Ries stated that the boundary line represents a short term growth
period for 10 years, and expressed concern that once it is adopted, future extensions
would not be allowed unless the Land Use Element of the General Plan is changed. He
stated that if someone comes in with a problem with water and wants to annex to the
City, he wanted to be sure that such annexation could be considered. Planning Director
Castro advised there is nothing to prevent the petitioning of a property for annexation
to the City, however, you may first have to modify or change the General Plan in terms
of land use.
With regard to drainage and siltation, Planning. Director Castro pointed out that
staff has also made the suggestion that a surcharge be considered by the County for
drainage purposes.
Commissioner Vandeveer suggested that the staff report be amended by including
that remedial action be taken to ensure appropriate grading /drainage control in the
fringe area, and to preclude undue scarring of hillsides, etc., per SLB Page 46 of the
Plano
After discussion, the following action was taken:
RESOLUTION NO. 78 -608
RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
ARROYO GRANDE RECOMMENDING ACCEPTANCE OF THE COUNTY'S
SAN LUIS BAY PLAN, AS AMENDED.
On motion by Commissioner Vandeveer, seconded by Commissioner Ries, and by the
following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Moots, Ries, Simmons, Vandeveer and Vice
Chairperson Cole
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Harris and Chairman Gerrish
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 18th day of April 1978.
TREE ORDINANCE
Planning Director Castro read a petition received on April 13th from residents
of Printz Road requesting a Tree and Site Preparation Ordinance. Planning Director
Castro stated that, as previously pointed out, the only area where we don't have any
protection of trees is on private land being developed by the owner, and in previous
discussions the Commission indicated they felt that the current ordinance was adequate.
He further stated that this problem is covered under the lot split, subdivision and
architectural review process, but that where you have a private piece of land consis-
ting of 5 or 10 acres, there is no control, and that is what the petition is address-
ing itself too
After discussion, it was agreed that the matter would again be considered at the
next regular meeting of May 2, 1978.
POLICY FOR AGRICULTURAL LANDS
Planning Director Castro referred to the matter of the suggested policy on agri-
cultural lands which was reviewed by the City Council at their. March 28th meeting,
and it was the Council's opinion that the recommendations from the Agricultural
Committee be dispensed with in view of the fact that the farmers expressed no interest
in the proposal. It was recommended by the City Council that the matter be referred
back to the Planning Commission for further review and study. More specifically,
Mayor Millis requested that the matter of the City's Land Use Element and the General
Plan text be brought into confromance, which is basically Page 14 of the document,
which says that any Prime I or II land, if any development shall occur, it shall be
in five acre minimum. The Council suggests that prior to any re- zoning of any agri-
cultural land, the application should first /be reviewed by the City Council, and that
by a four -fifths majority vote, if they approve, the applicant is then authorized to
proceed with some other type of zoning. Mr. Castro advised that what we are basically
saying is that the 5 acre minimum would be lifted and any type of land use could be
considered then for the property, This, of course, would be subject to a.finding
that the land is no longer economically viable. The only other suggestion staff is
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Commissioner Moots pointed out that on all developments reviewed by the Lot Split/
Architectural Review Committee, almost every tree is very carefully noted and the large
ones are all saved.
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offering is that in addition to determining whether or not the lands are still
economically viable agricultural units, that an additional finding be added, and
that finding should be that there shall be no physical adverse affect by the pro-
posed development on the adjoining agricultural lands.
After discussion, Planning Director Castro suggested that the matter be
delayed for two weeks until the Negative Declaration to amend the General Plan
text has been published to insert that type of language in the text. After dis-
cussion, it was agreed that the policy for agricultural lands would be considered
at the next meeting of May 2, 1978.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further discussion, on motion by Commissioner Ries, seconded
by Commissioner Vandeveer, and unanimously carried, the meeting was adjourned at
10:10 P,M.
ATTEST:
Vice Chairperson