PC Minutes 2002-02-051
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CALL TO ORDER
The Arroyo Grande Planning Commission met in regular session with Chair Costello
presiding. Present were Commissioners Brown, Fowler, Guthrie, and Keen. Also in
attendance were Community Development Director Rob Strong, Associate Planner Teresa
McClish, and Public Works Engineering Assistant Rodger Olds.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES
The minutes of January 15, 2002 were approved on a motion by Commissioner Fowler,
seconded by Commissioner Brown, with one correction, and unanimously carried with a
5/0 voice vote.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS - None
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CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE
PLANNING COMMISSION
FEBRUARY 5, 2002
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
1. A signed petition referencing Public Hearing Item II. A., received February 5, 2002, in
opposition to the proposed Variance 01 -005; Applicant - Brian Stote, Location - 1249
Montego Street.
2. Correction to Public Hearing Item II. B.
• Insert new resolution reflecting change in title of Resolution No. 02 -1820, and
additional reference to Exhibit 'B'.
• Replace first three pages of the proposed City Council Ordinance to reflect change
in title.
3. Notes from "Preserve the Village" members Scott Wachenheim and Chuck Fellows
referencing the Village Design Guidelines for Historic Districts.
4. A letter from Mark Vasquez, dated February 5, 2002, referencing Village Design
Guidelines for Historic Districts.
PUBLIC HEARING - VARIANCE 01 -005; APPLICANT — BRIAN STOTE; LOCATION - 1249
MONTEGO. Staff report — Teresa McClish, Associate Planner
Ms. McClish presented the staff report. She explained that the proposed residence
is located on one of the last remaining lots on Montego Street. The site is in a
Single Family zoning district with a design overlay restricting the height to eleven
feet. The applicant is proposing to exceed the City's floor area ratio (FAR)
standard of .40 for a new 3,225 square foot residence on a 6,048 square foot lot,
with a proposed FAR of .53. Lot sizes on Montego Street range from just over
5000 square feet to over 8000 square feet. City building records show at least
two residences in the neighborhood exceed the FAR standard of .40 and nearly all
the residences on Montego Street were built prior to the FAR requirement. The
FAR standard was implemented with the 1991 Zoning Ordinance revision. Prior to
that, only the lot coverage standard of 40% applied, which is not exceeded by the
proposed residence. There was a Planning Commission interpretation made in 1996
and upheld by the City Council when appealed that clarified that the FAR standard
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applies to all residential Tots irrespective of whether the previous lot coverage and
setback standards are applied.
The variance can be approved only if all the required findings can be met. The Architectural
Review Committee (ARC) reviewed the project on January 7, 2002 and concluded that and
the project incorporates an appropriate design solution given site constraints, and the north
elevation is compatible with neighboring homes on Montego Street. We have received a
petition today signed by twenty neighbors in the vicinity of the site opposing the Variance.
Commissioner Guthrie asked if the ARC had reviewed the findings in addition to reviewing the
appearance of the building.
Ms. McClish answered that the ARC reviewed the design and at the same time were looking
for unique circumstances in the site design in order to make the findings.
Commissioner Keen asked if the ARC looked at the height etc.
Ms. McClish stated the applicant made an argument for meeting the findings creating the
unique circumstances with respect to the slope of the lot, height restrictions, and the City's
requirement from Public Works for access only being from Montego Street, and not from
Newport Avenue as they originally had on the design.
Rob Strong commented that the ARC had been supplied with the same information as the
Planning Commission and had considered the issues of the findings, but the ARC it is not an
"advertised" public hearing nor is the ARC empowered to make the findings for a variance.
PUBLIC COMMENT
Jamie Ohler, Architect, 1147 Grand Avenue, gave a detailed overview of the project stating
that the lack of ability to use the garage entrance on Newport Avenue basically dictates
design of the house; the lot has an extreme slope, but the house conforms with the setbacks
and height limitations. The overall home has a very small footprint, a 55 by 55 square foot
area, which encompasses the garage; he believed all the findings for a variance had been
met.
Larry K. Harlan, 1315 Hil!crest Drive, spoke saying he was representing the neighbors who
had signed the petition against the project, and it was his belief that only one of the findings
had been met. If the Planning Commission grants this Variance any further requests for a
variance on Montego Street would also have to be granted because they are all similarly
situated.
Carie Randolph, 1310 Sierra Drive, spoke saying she agreed with Mr. Harlan's comments.
She believed that the City's Ordinance should be upheld and that such a large home should
not be built on this site.
END OF PUBLIC COMMENT
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Each of the Commissioners commented on the project and agreed that all the findings for the
variance application could NOT be made, specifically:
1. The strict or literal interpretation and enforcement of the specified regulation would
result in practical difficulty or unnecessary hardship not otherwise shared by others
within the surrounding area.
2. That there are exceptional or extraordinary circumstances or conditions applicable to
the property involved or to the intended use of the property that do not apply
generally to other properties classified in the same zone.
3. That strict or literal interpretation and enforcement of the specified regulation would
deprive the applicant of privileges enjoyed by the owners of other properties classified
in the same zone.
The following action was taken:
Commissioner Guithrie made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Fowler to deny Variance
Case No. 01 -005, based on findings Nos.1., 2., and 3. NOT being met. The motion was
unanimously approved on a 5/0 vote.
AYES: Commissioners Brown, Fowler, Guthrie, Keen and Chair Costello
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
Rob Strong informed the applicant of the appeal process.
PUBLIC HEARING - PUBLIC HEARING — DEVELOPMENT CODE AMENDMENT 01 -003 —
DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR HISTORIC DISTRICTS; APPLICANT — CITY OF ARROYO
GRANDE; LOCATION — VILLAGE OF ARROYO GRANDE. Staff Report — Teresa
McClish, Associate Planner.
Ms. McClish said the original "Design Guidelines for the Arroyo Grande Village" were
adopted in 1985 by Resolution No. 1844 and subsequently repealed and replaced by the
current Guidelines with Resolution No. 3059 on November 22, 1994. At its March 13,
2001 meeting the City Council reviewed the Guidelines and requested Staff review
comments made by the public, strengthen the guidelines and present them back to the City
Council.
The Planning Commission and the Architectural Review Committee (ARC) discussed the
Guidelines in a joint Public Hearing on October 16, 2001. The ARC recommended approval
of the revised Guidelines, with modifications, at their January 28, 2002 meeting.
There are five significant changes to the revised Guidelines:
1. It is proposed that separate Guidelines apply to the districts along Traffic Way. The
City is working on a Master Plan for the Traffic Way area which may include
amendments to the separate design guidelines for that area.
2. The geographical boundary of the Village Residential district.
3. Language was changed throughout the document both to strengthen and make the
guidelines more definitive.
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4. Incorporation of a flowchart describing how the Guidelines fit in with the Community
Development Department's project review process.
5. The Guidelines were expanded to include more examples of acceptable materials and
designs to better inform applicants.
Commissioner Guthrie asked if all the comments from the ARC minutes were included in
the Guidelines?
Ms. McClish said all the ARC comments were included in the Guidelines.
Commissioner Brown stated at the joint meeting of the ARC and the Planning Commission
he had addressed an issue regarding one -car garages given the historical context of the
Village. At present Page 14, No. 5, relates back to the Minor Exception /Development
Code. He would like to see some language in this paragraph that says one -car garages
would be acceptable given the historical context of the Village.
Ms. McClish said staff had considered this, but these are guidelines and not parking
standards, so we refer to the Development Code for specific standards.
Commissioner Brown said the Development Code does not describe the intent of the
Historical Guidelines and he would like to see some different language.
Rob Strong advised that the Development Code could address more specifically whether
two -car garages are required for each residence. He emphasized that the Design
Guidelines are meant to primarily address design at this time, but suggested that some
modification could be made to a degree that it still deals with design. He suggested the
wording such as "garages whether one car or two" be added to Page 14, No. 5.
Chair Costello had the following questions:
1. Page 1, the flow chart- what happens when a project comes forward and after ARC
review it does not comply.
2. Page 5, under the heading "Projects Not Subject to the Guidelines" who determines
this?
3. Page 11, "Examples of Construction Materials ", paragraph two ...materials that will fit
within the character of the Village, where is this defined; what if someone comes
forward with a design from the correct historical era but it does not fit with the Village?
Ms. McClish answered:
1. The applicant would be requested to redesign and then it would go to the Planning
Commission
2. The Building Department will usually review the project first and refer it to the
Community Development Department if there is any doubt.
3. The description of construction materials is not all- inclusive, but as discussed at the
ARC some materials not presently included in the guidelines could be allowed with the
consensus of the ARC or Planning Commission. The intent is to provide "guidelines ".
Chair Costello said because of the potential for conflict, he wanted to be assured that
there would be a means for the public to appeal from the ARC to the Planning Commission
and then if necessary to the City Council.
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Chuck Fellows, 507 Le Point, spoke saying that the changes made to the guidelines were a
huge improvement, but the "Preserve the Village" committee had a few more changes to
make them more effective. He went through a list, already received by the Planning
Commission after agenda preparation, of 18 suggested changes and corrections to the
Design Guidelines.
Heather Jensen, 569 May Street-
• Pages 12, 14, 16 and 18 there is reference to "...no use of exposed aluminum on
doors and window frames ", and this needs to be clarified as to whether this is the dark
metal bronzed look or the shiny aluminum look and not just eliminate all of them. Some
of the new doors and windows are very attractive and certainly durable.
• Page 14, No. 3., referencing landscaping and design; who is going to uphold a
difference of opinion and decide what is the right choice.
• Page 20 and 21, Nos. 1 & 2, referencing the use of exposed aggregate on the
sidewalks. Some people may like the appearance, but the downside is the
maintenance. It is very difficult to clean and with so many food establishment along
Branch this should be taken into consideration. In addition, it is very uncomfortable to
walk on.
Ms. Jensen further stated that she had a concern about how much responsibility is being
put on the ARC. She hoped that these guidelines would not make it more difficult getting
a project approved and once the guidelines are adopted and fine -tuned they should not be
continuously reviewed and micro - managed.
Nick Alter, 354 Corbett Canyon Road-
• It seems that the changes have turned the Guidelines into real standards.
• Page 5, last paragraph, with reference to demolition permits, he would like to see
requests not only subject to review by the Community Development Director, but also
the ARC.
Richard DeBlauw, 411 El Camino Real—
• Considers guidelines too restrictive. Property owner should be allowed to remodel
with their own tastes, but are being forced to follow these guidelines at the wishes of
a small group of people in the community. He would like to property owner to be able
to have a larger say.
Scott Wachenheim, 1015 Ditmas Way, Vice Chairman of the "Preserve the Village"
committee, said they had a few additional items for the final revision. He outlined the items
reading from a list already received by the Planning Commission after the agenda
preparation.
Howard Mankins, 200 Hillcrest Drive spoke at length saying he owns property on Branch
Street and Bridge Street in the Village. He has lived in Arroyo Grande all his life and he
sees new people come into the area wanting to preserve everything "like it used to be ".
He went on to say the town is nothing like it used to be when he was a child. He has
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great interest in preserving the Village and puts a lot of energy into the Historical Society
helping restore historic buildings. It is important that the Village be preserved, but rules
and regulations can get preventive, burdening and discouraging to business and increasing
rents. It would be more effective if the focus is on encouraging people by being more
friendly, not looking for another regulative body. He does not think the rules have to be as
strict and defined as are being sought to keep the Village viable and historic.
Ed Dorfman, 285 La Cresta Drive-
• Some flexibility is needed in what we do to encourage people.
• With reference to the section on one -car garages, requiring garages in the back yard,
many studies show people prefer garages in the front and this section shows no
flexibility.
• The most efficient windows today are vinyl and they come in many colors and unlike
wood are low maintenance.
• If the Guidelines serve to discourage investment and upgrades by people they will fail
us all and the Village will not benefit.
END OF PUBLIC COMMENT
Commissioner Guthrie applauded all the work done in preparing the guidelines, especially
the work the ARC had done. He went on to say that there is a need for flexibility for
property owners, but giving more information up front gives more certainty. He further
commented that:
• The change in boundaries makes more geographic sense.
• There are a lot of non - conforming designs in some of the areas.
• Page 16, second column, the emphasis on the vertical to maintain Village character and
scale had been addressed, but he would like to see the following language added after
Buildings are also made to appear larger by creating a series of structures "of narrow
mass "...
• Page 11, second column, add language after "Stucco buildings require "extensive"
detailing... ".
• Concrete block — should be discouraged as a structural material.
• A list of historic structures and the methology as to how they should be included in a
list of buildings.
• The suggestions from "Preserve the Village" committee were excellent.
Commissioner Keen-
• The language now in the document for the definition of historic structures is too
vague. He agreed with Commissioner Guthrie.
• He agreed with Mr. Mankins that property owners are losing a lot of rights and need to
have some say as to what is done with their property.
• He noted that the vacant property between Short, Nelson and Mason Streets was listed
as "Park" on the map. He believed that this piece of property had been a discussed at
City Council and it had been decided to use as this as a park but not designate it as
"Park ".
• He had no real problems with all the changes and thought the guidelines had been
improved a lot with the help of the "Preserve the Village" committee.
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Commissioner Fowler-
• Page 13 & 16, in the section that starts- Similarity in scale... it says "most homes are
one or two story's high" and it should just say "homes are one or two story ", as we
have no three story buildings.
• Page 19, No.2, under Colors, "signs should be allowed to incorporate more than three
different colors. Victorian buildings often used more than three colors as mentioned by
the ARC.
• Sidewalks - agreed with Heather Jensen that they hard to keep clean.
• Considers the guidelines a little too restrictive. The Guidelines should be fluid. We
need to accept some changes, be flexible, and encourage the Village to be viable.
Chair Costello said when we amend the guidelines and they go into the Municipal Code
what weight do they carry.
Ms. McClish replied that they are guidelines, but the process needs to be followed because
they are incorporated by reference into the Development Code. The approving bodies still
have the ability to approve a project if it does not infringe upon the historic integrity of the
District.
Commissioner Brown said he did not believe the Guidelines would interfere with commerce
in the Village. Page 5 gives building owners flexibility to maintain and keep a commercial
enterprise ongoing.
1. Commissioner Brown made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Guthrie to add
language to page 5, end of paragraph two, stating "Any request for the demolition, or
relocation of an historic building requires notice be given to the ARC and the Planning
Commission ". The motion passed with a 3/2 vote, with Commissioners Keen and
Fowler voting against.
2. Commissioner Brown made a motion, seconded by Chair Costello to add language to
pages 11,14, and 18, which states that "where possible concrete block in residential
districts shall be faced with materials recommended within the Design Guidelines ". The
motion failed with a 4/1 vote, with Commissioners, Fowler, Guthrie, Keen and Chair
Costello voting against.
3. Commissioner Guthrie made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Brown, to add
language to Page 11, under the heading Brick and Concrete Block that states, "that the
use of exposed plain concrete block material is discouraged in the Historic Village
Commercial District. The motion was unanimously approved with a 5/0 vote.
4. Commissioner Brown made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Guthrie to change the
language on Page 14, No. 5 that states, "one and two car garages shou /d be detached
or located to the rear of the residence where feasible and where such placement is in
keeping with the existing character of the neighborhood. The motion was unanimously
approved with a 5/0 vote.
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5. Commissioner Keen made a motion seconded by Commissioner Fowler to strike the
language on Page 22, "Definitions ", under the heading "Historic Structure ", second
sentence that states A structurc con also be considered historic if it is associated with
. The motion
failed with a 3/2 vote with Commissioners Brown, Guthrie and Chair Costello voting
against.
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6. Commissioner Fowler made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Brown that on Page
19, second column under heading "Colors ", No. 2, language should read "signs shou /d
incorporate no more than four colors and strike "Too much contrast dilutes the
effectiveness of the sign and crcctcs an appearance of "busyness ". The motion passed
with a 4/1 vote, with Chair Costello against.
7. Commissioner Guthrie made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Brown to add to
page 19, under the heading "Materials ", No. 7, language that states "Heatform plastic
signs are not permitted ". The motion was unanimously approved with a 5/0 vote.
8. Commissioner Guthrie made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Brown to add the
language on Page 20, under the heading Awnings and Canopies, No. 3, to state
"Materials stretched taut over rigid framework is not permitted ". The motion passed
with a 3/2 vote, with Commissioners Fowler and Keen against.
9. Commissioner Brown made a motion, seconded by Commissioner Guthrie, that the
Planning Commission recommend to the City Council to amend Title 16, Chapter 16.08
of the Arroyo Grande Municipal Code and Design Overlay 2.4 revising the Design
Guidelines for Historic Districts, including Exhibit 'B' as amended by the Planning
Commission and adopt
RESOLUTION NO. 02 -1820
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
ARROYO GRANDE RECOMMENDING THAT THE CITY COUNCIL
AMEND TITLE 16, CHAPTER 16.08 OF THE ARROYO GRANDE
MUNICIPAL CODE AND DESIGN OVERLAY 2.4 TO REVISE THE
DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR HISTORIC DISTRICTS
AYES: Commissioners Brown, Fowler, Guthrie, Keen and Chair Costello
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
the foregoing resolution was adopted this 5th day of February, 2002.
NON - PUBLIC HEARING - EAST GRAND AVENUE MASTER PLAN, CITY OF ARROYO
GRANDE- Prepared by Rob Strong
Rob Strong distributed a copy of the newly produced draft of the East Grand Avenue
Enhancement Plan to the Planning Commission. He said he was providing this preview to
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the Planning Commission as a follow -up on a year long process of design workshops
intended to implement the 2001 General Plan that created a concept of Mixed -Use
corridor. The intent is to try to distinguish the corridor from other commercial districts. He
went on to describe each segment of the Enhancement Plan in more detail, focused on
"streetscape" improvements to East Grand Avenue.
DISCUSSION ITEMS
Rob Strong described a County referral project MUP /Development Plan to allow a 2,100
square foot (including garage) secondary handicapped dwelling at 468 Hansen Hill Road.
The Planning Commission had no comment.
PLANNING COMMISSION ITEMS AND COMMENTS - None
COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR COMMENTS AND FOLLOW -UP REPORTS
Rob Strong reviewed the upcoming projects and told the Planning Commission that the
Community Development Department is moving forward on many major projects with a
small, but professional staff.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business before the Commission, the meeting was adjourned at 11:00
p.m. on a motion by Chair Costello, seconded by Commissioner Keen, and unanimously
carried.
ATTEST:
Lyn Reardon - Smith, Commission Clerk
Rob Strong,
Community Development Director
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