PC Minutes 1998-09-011
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ARROYO GRANDE PLANNING COMMISSION
SEPTEMBER 1, 1998
The Arroyo Grande Planning Commission met in regular session with Chair Lubin presiding.
Present are Commissioners Parker, Greene, Keen and Haney. Also in attendance are
Community Development Director Jim Hamilton, Associate Planners Helen Elder, Bruce
Buckingham and Contract Planner Lezley Buford, and Senior Consultant Engineer Craig
Campbell.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
Kirk Scott. 520 Via Vaquero, spoke regarding Item II.D, Planned Sign Program for the Five
Cities Center, stating that the neighbors involved in this project and the CCRD have not been
notified of tonight's hearing.
Chair Lubin advised that it has already been decided that the referenced item will not be heard
tonight and will be continued.
PUBLIC HEARING (CONTINUED) - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT 98 -567 AND
ASSOCIATED ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW, CONSTRUCTION OF SIX BUILDINGS
TOTALING APPROXIMATELY 28,000 SQUARE FEET; APPLICANT: JOE DE LUCIA
(VILLAGE CENTRE); LOCATION: WEST BRANCH STREET AND WESLEY STREET
Contract Planner Lezley Buford stated that at the last meeting there were several discussions
with the applicant, the Public Works Department and Planning staff regarding some of the issues
that were raised at the previous meeting, as well as issues discussed particularly with regard to
traffic issues. Revisions to the traffic study have been provided to the Commission, and also
some revisions to the Conditions of Approval.
Commissioner Greene commented that Condition #43 on the September 1g` memo appears to
pertain to the previous Condition #46, and questioned whether #43 on the new Conditions of
Approval really should be Condition #46. Ms. Buford agreed with Commissioner Greene's
statement.
Commissioner Haney stated that at the last meeting, the 36" storm drain was discussed and it
was the applicant's concern that they not be required to construct the 36" storm drain from their
project down to Branch Street. He noted that is one of the conditions on the recommended
Conditions of Approval. Ms. Buford stated it is her understanding that the applicant has agreed
to all of the conditions, and this was a result of their discussions with the Public Works
Department.
Hearing no further questions for staff, Chair Lubin opened the hearing for public comment and
invited the applicant to add any further information to his previous presentation.
Kim Hatch, Pultz & Associates, representing the applicant, pointed out that Condition of
Approval #43, which is being changed to #46, also should read that Building A is Building F.
Mr. Hatch presented an exhibit showing the roof plan, noting that metal roofs come in many
grades and many qualities. The roof being proposed for the project is a high grade metal roof.
He described in detail the proposed materials and color of the metal roofs and reviewed the
locations where they will be used.
Commissioner Keen commented with reference to metal roofs in the General Plan and, in his
opinion, that is another item that needs to be updated. He stated the requirement has been in
there for many years when metal roofs were aluminum /steel barn roofs which were
inappropriate. In looking around the Village area, metal roofs have been approved for Miner's
Hardware and Lemos Feed Store. After looking at the new architecturally designed metal roofs,
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and as different colors, materials and styles come out, that's probably the reason prior Planning
Commissions approved those roofs. He stated, in his opinion, having a metal roof on these
. walkways ties the buildings together giving an overall architectural effect that is appropriate.
He would not be in favor of going back to steel /aluminum barn roofs, however, there are new
products out now that should be considered and this could be one of them.
In answer to Commissioner Parker's question regarding the roof and its appearance from
underneath, Mr. Hatch advised that there is a lot of wood, metal and plaster elements in there,
and the underside of the roof would be plywood to match some of the structure that is
underneath, so you would not see the metal; it would be more like an open beam roof.
Terry Orton. Westland Engineering, stated he spent some time with Craig Campbell of the
Public Works Department, and he was pleased with the integration of Items 49 and 55 of the
Conditions of Approval. With regard to #49, it was agreed that the applicants would be
responsible to take improvements up to Branch Street, and it was Mr. Campbell's feeling that
the City would not be doing anything at this time beyond that. With respect to the 36 inch
drain, it was agreed that if funds were available, then the applicants could request negotiations.
Mr. Campbell agreed that would be appropriate for redevelopment funds.
Virginia Rogers, Oceano, stated her business is located in the Village. She stated people in the
Village are excited about this project and, in her opinion, this project will be a long range
benefit to the Village of Arroyo Grande. She stated there is a lot of public support for the
project and urged the Planning Commission to approve the project.
Kirk Scott. 520 Via Vaquero. stated he attended the pre - application hearing on this project, and
at that time it was made quite clear that a design that would blend in nicely with the Village was
what the public and the City wanted. He further stated he doesn't believe the metal roofs should
be allowed because they won't blend in with the Village. Also, another concern is the
intersection. The traffic study shows that when the Five Cities Center opens, the Level of
Service at that intersection goes to F. With the additional traffic in that same area, even with
the addition of a traffic light 20 or 30 feet down the street, is not going to make a huge
difference in the circulation flow at that point. He stated he is very concerned with traffic and
the band -aid approach, rather than trying to resolve traffic down Branch and Highway 227 and
through that particular intersection. He requested the Commissioners give due consideration as
to what is going to happen traffic -wise with the increased density and use in that area.
Before discussing the traffic situation, Chair Lubin asked if there were any other comments from
the audience regarding the architectural treatment of the proposed project. There were no
further comments from the audience and, therefore, the traffic portion was opened for
discussion.
Rob Marsh. RRM Design Group, reviewed the revisions to the traffic study. He stated that
basically they took out all of the pending projects, so the baseline conditions now reflect the
approved projects plus what is now existing. The only other information that was added was
some clarification information to make the study a little more clear as to how the conclusion was
reached. He stated when looking at the baseline levels of service, he found that the intersection
at West Branch Street deteriorates to F, and a signal there would bring it up to Level B. He
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noted he had looked at other areas on Grand Avenue and they all function fine at baseline. He
explained how cumulative numbers are created, he advised they are about 15 % above baseline
plus pending, so all of the known pending projects bump up traffic about 15 %. This represents
buildout, not only for Arroyo Grande but for the entire area. He stated that listing the Level
of Service for those scenarios , and where it dropped below LOS C, he recommended some
mitigation measures. The traffic signal at West Branch Street is one, and the other is the
significant amount of traffic on Fast Branch Street, which needs to be studied in the Circulation
Element of the General Plan, and he listed several mitigation measures that need to be studied
in the big picture.
Mr. Marsh advised that the City has a system in place whereby the developer pays for future
infrastructure and, in his opinion, the best solution needs to be decided through the Circulation
Element update. He reviewed possible solutions listed in the traffic report.
Commissioner Haney stated it is his understanding from Mr. Marsh's commented that, in the
overall picture, the traffic analysis indicates that this project can go ahead and we will still be
at a Level of Service C, both intersection and volume -wise for the stretch of roadway segments
that are associated with it. However, in looking at these incremental projects that are on the
pending list, they are likely to be kicking some of this over to D Levels of Service, which must
be looked at much more closely. Mr. Marsh suggested studying this in the Circulation Element,
such as looking at traffic and looking at ways to reduce it.
Commissioner Keen stated that at one time there was a design for that area, encompassing
widening the street on the Chevron Station side so that the right turn traffic off of the ramp had
a way to Traffic Way. He commented that in that scenario, the sidewalk on the Shell Station
side was only going to be reduced by approximately 18 inches, and the counts changed
dramatically with that flow. He further stated perhaps some of that design could be incorporated
in the traffic funds. He commented there are some options in that area along with the traffic
signal to make this work, and they have already been studied and practically designed.
After considerable discussion regarding Levels of Service, traffic and circulation, Chair Lubin
asked if there were additional comments from the public regarding the traffic issue.
Coleen Martin suggested installing speed bumps on Larchmont to discourage traffic to use the
street, and if no left turn was permitted into the center, that might also discourage traffic from
coming down Larchmont. She also questioned what month the trip traffic counts were taken,
and if the counts were taken when school was not in session, they would be much lower than
they are now with school starting and parents taking their children to the Paulding School.
Otis Page, 606 Myrtle Street, stated that the dynamics of the traffic situation is undefined, and
the traffic data is wrong. He stated there is a problem and it is a very serious mistake not to
analyze this situation in terms of the very worst case, and that worst case is a Level F. He
further stated if the Commission is going to make a decision on this deserving project, there has
to be a plan to solve the worst case situation. He requested the Commission either turn this
project down because there is no plan or, if the project is approved, there be a contingency that
the City will have a plan in a certain amount of time that will satisfy the worst case conditions.
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Mr. Hatch pointed out that if this project goes through, the developers are ready to pay over
$100,000 in mitigation fees for traffic alone. He stated they understand the issues and
sympathize with the conditions that have developed, and they understand it is a major concern
to resolve that issue. However, all they can do as a small property developer is offer financial
restitution to help the City better their situation, and to help the developer better their situation
for their development. Mr. Hatch also suggested that a stop sign be installed at the intersection
coming from Larchmont towards Wesley to deal with the traffic flow. In that way, people will
not think that is a direct path and they will have stops to make.
Gail Lightfoot. 849 Mesa Drive. stated there is no point in building a project that people will
avoid because it is inconvenient for them. She commented, in her opinion, a lot of people route
themselves around the Village rather than go through it, unless they have a need to go through
it. That is the kind of thing that needs to be avoided because people need to see what businesses
there are so they will come back and use them.
Marlene Johnson inquired about the Bank of America's concern regarding a street that will go
behind their property from the Shell Station over to the project?
Bob Lahr. rural Arroyo Grande. spoke about the overall traffic problem. He stated the City
needs to look seriously about six lanes on the freeway. He referred to the growth in Nipomo
and Arroyo Grande, commenting if the freeway isn't widened to six lanes before the next ten
years, it is going to be more than a Class F Level of Service.
Hearing no further comments from the audience, Chair Lubin closed the public hearing and
restricted further comments to the Planning Commission.
Commissioner Greene referred to Condition of Approval #69, Page 10, regarding a Soils Report
dated October 1998, and recommended that be amended to reflect the proper year for that
report. He stated after the last meeting he met with the landscape representative for the project,
Ms. Lawrence. He described some of the modifications that were discussed. He also stated he
had talked to the applicant about a concern he had regarding the traffic on Larchmont, and
conveyed his feeling that the applicant can voluntarily institute an educational program with the
employees and tenants who occupy the property to encourage them not to use Larchmont. He
stated he doesn't feel the metal roof is necessary, however, he is not prepared to tell the
applicant to modify it. He further commented he feels this is a quality project and will be an
asset to the community. He stated the traffic issue is a problem, however, it is not the
applicant's fault and, in his opinion, this project should be approved notwithstanding those
problems.
Commissioner Parker stated she has some concerns about the metal roofs, however, she is not
concerned enough to hold up the project. With regard to the traffic situation, she stated she had
spent three weeks talking to CalTrans trying to come up with a workable solution because she
wanted this project to go through. She cannot look at a level of service that has been brought
to an F with nothing done about it. She is bothered that the level of service is already an F and
it will be made worse by this project. CalTrans has agreed to do a study, and have also agreed
that, if the study results in the conclusion that a traffic light will not work, another option would
be to stop vehicles outside of the area. She stated, in her opinion, this is a good project and the
project alone is not going to affect the traffic situation badly enough to turn it down.
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Commissioner Keen agreed that a Circulation Element update is needed and implementation to
alleviate some of these problem.
Commissioner Haney stated he agrees with Commissioner Greene and his points of emphasis that
there are major issues here that need to be dealt with, and he also agrees that the accountability
does not lie with this project and it would be inappropriate to hold this project "hostage ". He
stated that the traffic issue was a big problem for him at the beginning, however, those issues
have been delineated with the work that Mr. Marsh has done, and that problem is now removed.
The metal roof is still a concern because he sees it as a non - Village identity issue and as a
General Plan issue. He further stated he is prepared to support the project, however, as to the
metal roof issue, he would like to see some alternatives examined. He suggested, if there is
concurrence with the Commission to have the metal roof issue examined as a separate item in
an effort to allow the project to move forward.
Commissioner Haney also noted that the landscaping plan the Commission looked at was
conceptual and a lot of the specifics were not filled in, and now that the design elements are
firmed up, he feels it would be appropriate to have the landscape element brought back before
the Commission for review.
Chair Lubin commented that during the pre- application review he was concerned with the metal
roofs and the concept of the buildings, and he still has a problem with the concept of metal
roofs. He noted that there are other metal roofs in the Village area and, therefore, he does not
see the Variance as being a significant item. He stated that when the new design was presented,
he was very pleased with the general image of the concept of bringing the Village process into
play. He further stated he doesn't believe the metal roofs are going to be as visible as the
Lemos building across the street. He commented he was more concerned with the general image
of the project and the fact that a pedestrian friendly Village concept was maintained, and he feels
that has been accomplished.
With regard to traffic issues, Chair Lubin stated he had attended a meeting with Commissioner
Parker at CalTrans, and what he found in that discussion was a feeling that these issues need to
be resolved and CalTrans was willing to help resolve those issues, however, they need to do
their normal process in terms of studies. After that meeting, Chair Lubin stated it was his
feeling that if Public Works were to request some specific studies, those studies will be done in
a reasonable period of time. He also stated he asked CalTrans specifically if they were going
to be pro - active on the Wal -Mart penetration into the Village down West Branch Street, or if
they were going to wait until the situation reached Level F and then do their studies. In essence,
they stated they would be willing to do the studies in advance, however, they are not historically
pro- active and, therefore, they would probably wait until the Wal -Mart center was open before
moving forward with signalization of that corner.
Chair Lubin stated he feels this project is needed; something is needed to help pull people into
the Village so that there are some competitive factors to the Central Coast Town Center and he
thinks this project is a good offset to that.
Condition of Approval #42 was discussed by the Commission. Contract Planner Buford
suggested rewording the first of the condition as follows: "Prior to finaling a building permit,
if approved by CalTrans, the applicant shall install a traffic signal at the intersection of West
Branch Street and Grand Avenue". Also, in the 3rd paragraph, strike out the first sentence.
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Commissioner Haney corrected Item #3 of Page 4, under the CEQA section of the Conditional
Use Permit to read "...finds..." instead of "fins." On Condition of Approval #71,
Commissioner Haney suggested adding to the end of the first sentence the words "....acceptable
to the Director of Public Works." He stated also, if it is the consensus of the other
Commissioners, he would like to see the landscaping plan brought back to the Planning
Commission. Contract Planner Buford suggested rewording Condition #16 as follows: "Prior
to issuance of a building permit, a landscaping and irrigation plan shall be prepared by a licensed
landscape architect subject to review and approval by the Community Development Director,
Police, Building and Fire, Parks and Recreation Department, and the Planning Commission.
The Landscaping plan shall include the following...." Also, in response to the importation
issue, Ms. Buford suggested Mitigation Measure #3 of the Negative Declaration be changed
under Responsible Department to Director of Public Works.
Commissioner Haney stated it appears there are only two Commissioners that feel strongly about
the metal roof issue and, in his opinion, there is not sufficient support to bring this issue back
again.
After further discussion, the following action was taken:
RESOLUTION NO. 98 -1665
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
ARROYO GRANDE ADOPTING A NEGATIVE DECLARATION,
INSTRUCTING THE SECRETARY TO FILE A NOTICE OF
DETERMINATION, AND APPROVING CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT
CASE NO. 98 -567, APPLIED FOR BY JAMES PANKEY, AT WEST
BRANCH STREET AND WESLEY AVENUE
On motion by Commissioner Greene, seconded by Commissioner Haney, and by the following
roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Parker, Keen, Greene, Haney and Lubin
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
the foregoing resolution was adopted this ls` day of September 1998.
PUBLIC HEARING (CONTINUED) - CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT #94 -524
AMENDMENT; VARIANCE 97 -204; PLANNED SIGN PROGRAM 94-114 AMENDMENT;
REQUEST APPROVAL TO ADD A FAST FOOD RESTAURANT DRIVE - THROUGH
LANE TO AN EXISTING GAS STATION WITH MINI - MARKET; EXCEED THE
REQUIRED NUMBER OF SIGNS, AND INCREASE THE SIGN AREA FOR THE
EXISTING POLE SIGN FROM 145 SQUARE FEET TO 265 SQUARE FEET;
APPLICANT: MIKE HUMERIAN /KHATCHIK H. ACHADJIAN; LOCATION: 525
TRAFFIC WAY
Associate Planner Bruce Buckingham reviewed the staff report dated September 1, 1998. He
advised the applicant is requesting approval of an amendment to Conditional Use Permit #94 -524
to modify the interior of the existing 2,300 square foot convenience store to accommodate a
1,002 square foot fast food sales and preparation area with a drive - through. The remaining
1,298 square feet would continue to be used as a convenience store. The fast food restaurant
area would consist of the kitchen and food preparation area, order /take -out counter and customer
queing. He advised there would be no sit -down eating area within the building or on the site.
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He stated that in August 1997, the Planning Commission considered an interpretation filed by
the applicant requesting that the fuel pump parking spaces be counted as required parking spaces.
The Commission unanimously denied this interpretation. He advised the existing building meets
all Development Code standards, and the proposed modification to add a fast food restaurant
could meet those standards which requires specific performance standards be met to assure there
are no adverse impacts on adjacent residents. He noted that Condition 11 has been added
limiting the hours of operation from 7 :00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. In addition, Condition 21 has been
added requiring that the noise standards are met.
Mr. Buckingham advised that the staff reviewed the Traffic Study prepared by Higgins and
Associates, which recommends eight project mitigation measures 1, 2, 6 and 7. The remaining
mitigation measures address operational issues and customer behavior, and staff believes these
decisions should be determined by the operator. The Planning Commission may consider
requiring these mitigations if it is determined that they would benefit operations.
He also advised that the applicant is requesting that the 12 parking spaces be reduced to 9
spaces, or a 25 % reduction. The Traffic Study estimates concludes that the estimated peak
parking demand for the proposed project is 7 vehicles during weekdays, and 9 vehicles during
Saturday peak hours.
Mr. Buckingham reviewed the Planned Sign Program for the project. He advised that an
amendment to the Planned Sign Program is required to increase the size of the pole sign, and
a Variance is required for approval of a sign area greater than the 145 square feet currently
approved. He noted that the Development Code allows a maximum sign area of 70 square feet
for any individual sign and, therefore, the existing pole sign is 75 square feet greater than the
Code maximum. The applicant is proposing a Burger King sign of 120 square feet be placed
below the existing Mobil sign of 145 square feet, which would increase the sign area of the pole
sign from 145 square feet to 265 square feet. He pointed out that the proposed pole sign is
larger than all but one pole sign in the City and, in addition, the placement of two widely spaced
signs on a single pole, both of which exceed current sign area maximums, could set a precedent.
Therefore, staff cannot support this request. Mr. Buckingham referred to the two alternatives
listed in the staff report for the Planning Commission's consideration.
After a brief discussion between the Planning Commission and staff, Chair Lubin opened the
public hearing for public input.
Tony Orefice, RMO Architects, 1125 Grand Avenue, representing the applicant, stated the
request to add 70 square foot to the pole sign is to identify the Burger King restaurant. He
advised there was a fast food restaurant previously existing on this site and, basically, any fast
food could move into this location without a driveway or pole sign, however, Burger King could
not exist without these two items. He reviewed the proposed driveway, number of parking
spaces and requested signage. He also addressed the noise issue, stating they placed the speaker
box facing the agricultural area. Mr. Orefice commented that the applicants agree with staff's
recommendations and mitigation measures, and the speakers can be adjusted to any scale the
City wants.
The Commission discussed employee parking, headlights shining into residences, access for
gasoline delivery trucks, and lighting of the additional sign intruding into adjacent residences.
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Commissioner Parker stated she would like to see a compromise on the sign to reduce the
amount of light intruding into residences. Mr. Orefice commented that the two businesses need
their own identity.
Chair Lubin announced that because of the lateness of the hour and the fact that this item will
take quite a bit of time to discuss, the remainder of items on the agenda will need to be
continued to another meeting.
Jim Brown, 125 Allen Street; Carol Dean 111 Orchid Lane; Lynn Titus, 404 Lierly Lane; Roger
Jed. Trinity Way; Jim Dickens. 769 Branch Mill Road, Marjorie Dean, 111 Orchid Lane:,
Marlene Johnson, Vagabond Mobilehome Park, and Marie Cattoir, 195 Orchid Lane, expressed
their concerns about the proposed project because of traffic safety, air and noise pollution, light
pollution on adjacent residences from signs; the speed of vehicles coming off of the freeway,
and the danger of trying to make a left -hand turn into the project. It was generally felt that
allowing five uses in this location would be too intense for such a small area and would generate
too much traffic.
Khatchik Achadjian. 525 Traffic Way. applicant for the project, addressed some of the concerns
expressed by the neighbors. He stated one of his biggest concerns is the traffic. He noted that
every other ramp coming off of the freeway has a stop sign with the exception of Traffic Way,
which is necessary to slow down the traffic coming off of the freeway. He stated the requested
signs need to be separate to identify the two separate businesses. He advised that the noise issue
is controlled by the City's Noise Ordinance. With regard to the gasoline delivery trucks, Mr.
Achadjian advised that early morning or evening hours would be arranged. He further stated
that the Burger King restaurant will close at 10:00 p.m. and their sign will be turned off at that
time.
Mr. Achadjian stated he is concerned about his neighbors' feelings and he will take all of the
comments expressed tonight into consideration.
Mike Humerian, 1007 Acorn Lane, applicant for the Burger King restaurant, advised that the
cat converter will cut down 90% of the odor emissions, and they do not go outside at all, and
should eliminate any concerns regarding odors. He further advised this will be a small operation
with a minimum of employees, and the volume is not going to be tremendous as compared to
the drive through Burger King in Grover Beach.
After further discussion, and due to the lateness of the hour, the public hearing was continued
to a specific date, on motion by Commissioner Haney, seconded by Commissioner Parker, and
unanimously carried.
PUBLIC HEARING (CONTINUED) PLANNED SIGN PROGRAM #98 -127 AND
VARIANCE CASE #98 -211; REQUEST TO REPLACE EXISTING SIGNS AND ADD AN
ADDITIONAL SIGN; APPLICANT: WILLIAM SCHOEFFLER (CASA GRANDE INN);
LOCATION: 850 OAK PARK BOULEVARD
Chair Lubin inquired if there were any persons in the audience to speak on this item that could
not be present at the next meeting. Hearing none, Chair Lubin advised this item would be
continued to a specific date.
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PUBLIC HEARING (CONTINUED) PLANNED SIGN PROGRAM #96 -118 AND
VARIANCE, SIGN PROGRAM FOR THE FIVE CITIES CENTER; APPLICANT: AGRA,
LLC /FIVE CITIES CENTER; LOCATION: WEST BRANCH AND RANCHO PARKWAY
Chair Lubin advised a request was received by the applicant requesting that this item be
continued.
PUBLIC HEARING - AMENDMENT TO CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT #97 -560,
REVISION TO SITE PLAN; APPLICANT: DAN BLOUGH (WAYNE'S TIRE);
LOCATION: 505 GRAND AVENUE
Chair Lubin announced this item would be continued to the next meeting.
PLANNING COMMISSION /COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT DIRECTOR ITEMS AND
COMMENTS.
Community Development Director Jim Hamilton reviewed pending items for the Planning
Commission's review.
After discussion regarding a special meeting, on motion by Commissioner Greene, seconded by
Commissioner Haney, and unanimously carried, date and time for a special meeting was set for
Wednesday, September 9 at 6:30 p.m. Location of the meeting to be determined by the
Community Development Director.
WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS - None
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business before the Commission, the meeting was adjourned at 12:00
a.m. on motion by Commissioner Haney, seconded by Commissioner Parker, and unanimously
carried.
ATTEST:
Pears L. Phinney, Commission Cl
AS TO CONTENT:
Ji ► amilton, AIC
ommunity Development Director