PC Minutes 1994-12-06ARROYO GRANDE PLANNING COMMISSION
DECEMBER 6, 1994
The Arroyo Grande Planning Commission met in regular session with Chairperson Keen
presiding. Present are Commissioners Tappan, Soto, Carr, Deviny, and Beck. Absent is
Commissioner Hatchett. Planning Director Liberto - Blanck is in attendance.
ORAL COMMUNICATIONS
Tracy Thomas, 1152 Outland Court, presented copies of her four -page letter with attachments
to the Planning Commission. Ms. Thomas read her letter in which she stated errors she felt had
been made concerning the Rancho Grande Park/Elder Plan project.
PUBLIC HEARING - EXPANDED INITIAL STUDY AND MITIGATED NEGATIVE
DECLARATION ON THE PROPOSED 10 ACRE RANCHO GRANDE PARK (ELDER
PLAN), INCLUDING PLAY FIELDS, TENNIS COURTS, PLAY AREAS AND PUBLIC
FACILITIES; RANCHO GRANDE PARK (ELDER PLAN) PROJECT APPROVAL
LOCATED SOUTH OF JAMES WAY BETWEEN RANCHO PARKWAY AND RODEO
DRIVE, APPLICANT IS THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE
Planning Director Liberto - Blanck presented this item to the Planning Commission noting that
there have been four Planning Commission public hearings and two City Council public
hearings; with the City Council adopting a Resolution approving a mitigated negative declaration
for the alternative Rancho Grande Park Plan in 1993. Since then, Ms. Liberto - Blanck stated,
the City retained Ted Elder to modify this plan to implement the mitigation measures adopted
by the City Council in 1993; this subsequent amended plan is now referred to as "The Elder
Plan ". In addition, Planning Director Liberto - Blanck reported that the Parks and Recreation
Commission held three public hearings and on May 18, 1994 they unanimously recommended
The Elder Plan to the Planning Commission.
Planning Director Liberto - Blanck mentioned various items that were eliminated, added, moved
and improvements which are listed in detail in the Staff Report of December 6, 1994. Ms.
Liberto - Blanck ended her presentation by apprising the Commission of the two alternatives of
either continuing with the meeting or seeking direction from the new City Council.
The Commissioners discussed the two alternatives. Commissioner Carr said The Elder Plan was
a good compromise, but he supported alternative 2 due to the change in the City Council. He
said his preference would be to ask the City Council to provide them with direction before a
public hearing is conducted. At this time, Commissioner Carr continued, a public hearing would
not likely serve a useful purpose.
Commissioner Soto agreed that a public hearing would only be going over old ground and that
the Commission needed direction from the City Council.
Commissioner Tappan said that because this item was advertised as a public hearing, there might
be someone present who might not be able to attend a later public hearing and speak. He also
felt the Planning Commission might receive public input which would assist the City Council.
Commissioner Deviny said he agreed with Commissioner Tappan, and wanted to hear from the
public and perhaps receive new input.
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Commissioner Beck stated being new on the Commission she had not heard any previous
testimony other than what she read and it might be useful for her, but she also felt the
Commission needed to take into consideration the new City Council.
Chairperson Keen said he agreed with Commissioner Carr that further direction from the new
City Council was needed and no more staff time should be spent on this issue. He also stated
the consultant was not present at this meeting, which could be a hindrance.
On a motion by Commissioner Carr, seconded by Commissioner Soto, with a four to two vote,
this item was referred to the City Council for policy direction. The consensus of the
Commission was not to deliberate further on this item, but rather to send the whole package to
the City Council.
In response to a question from the audience, City Attorney Roger Lyon responded that because
of the motion by the Planning Commission, there would be no public hearing this evening, but
before the negative declaration could be considered for adoption, it will have to be re- scheduled
and re- advertised for public hearing.
NON - PUBLIC HEARING - PRE - APPLICATION REVIEW FOR SIX UNIT PLANNED
DEVELOPMENT AT 260 ROBLES ROAD, APPLICANT IS PACE BROTHERS
CONSTRUCTION
Commissioner Tappan left the dais due to a conflict of interest.
Planning Director Liberto - Blanck, gave an overview of this project. She pointed out issues such
as the carports and parking requirements. Ms. Liberto - Blanck outlined on a posted map the
consideration of a curved curb in lieu of curbs, gutters, and sidewalks in part of the frontage
area.
John Keisler, Director of Parks and Recreation, stated there were two oak trees; one would
remain and one that was not healthy would be removed with the applicant supplying three 24"
box oak trees as replacements for the one removed. Mr. Keisler also referred to the Morton
Bay fig tree, which he believed was the only one of its kind in the City.
Scott Pace, applicant, stated he was available to answer questions.
Chairperson Keen said he would have preferred to see elevations of the roof design in order to
address the carport design. He stated that there was no parking allowed on Robles Road;
therefore visitor parking had to be inside the project. Another issue Mr. Keen pointed out was
trash collection.
Commissioner Soto expressed concern with P.U.D.'s as a policy issue, stating he feels the City
Council should clarify some points on P.U.D's. He feels that the proposed RV Ordinance
should address RV parking and storage in the Multi - family zone. He also questioned whether
second units could be constructed in the Multi - family zone.
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Commissioner Carr said he had some concerns regarding P.U.D.'s, though they were good for
providing lower cost homes and suggested conditions might be added preventing satellite dishes,
second residential units, and so forth. Mr. Carr also stated his concern regarding visitor
parking.
Commissioner Beck stated her concern about the narrowness of Robles Road and the added
traffic in this area by having six units with three cars per unit.
Mr. Pace responded that it was his understanding that the previous use was a house with four
apartments in the back of the house.
Commissioner Deviny agreed with Chairperson Keen that it was difficult to comment without
being provided with more elevations; mainly the front of the units and the relationship between
the carports and Robles Road. Mr. Deviny went on to say he was concerned with visitor
parking and possible Fire Department access problems. Planning Director Liberto - Blanck read
some preliminary comments from the Fire Department regarding this concern. Mr. Deviny
ended by stating the project would be a good land use transition, if it is done right.
Scott Pace expressed concern that his architect had about the six foot dedication for side walks,
asking whether he could consider a six foot setback, bringing it to fourteen feet. Commissioner
Carr responded that if the design was appropriate, he thought it could work. Mr. Carr asked
how the Morton Bay fig tree fit into the area. Mr. Pace responded that the tree would be about
eight feet from the sidewalk. Parks and Recreation Director Keisler said that there were some
measures that were being considered to protect this tree.
In summation, Commissioner Carr stated he agreed the Morton Bay fig tree should be saved;
the oak tree replaced by three box trees; that the architectural style the Architectural Advisory
Committee recommended was good; and there should be five units, not six.
Mr. Pace responded that five units would increase the price per unit by an additional $20,000.
Planning Director Liberto - Blanck reminded the Planning Commission that these were only
preliminary comments, and no formal decision had been made.
Commissioner Tappan returned to the dais.
PLANNING COMMISSION ITEMS AND COMMENTS
Planning Director Liberto - Blanck asked the Planning Commission if they wanted to cancel the
next regular meeting on December 20, 1994. On a motion by Commissioner Soto, seconded
by Commissioner Tappan, with six approving and one no, the regular meeting of December 20,
1994 was canceled.
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WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
Chairperson Keen noted the following handouts given at this meeting:
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business before the Commission, on a motion by Commissioner Soto,
seconded by Commissioner Beck, and unanimously carried, the meeting was adjourned at 9:00
P.M.
ATTEST:
Letter from Leona L. Lewis regarding Rancho Grande Park.
Letter from Arthur and Marsile McCoubrey regarding Rancho Grande Park.
Notice of a Public Hearing and an Initial Study from the City of Grover Beach on an
application for a Zone Change and Tentative Tract Map located at 1900 -2000 Farroll
Road.
Nancy Brow ommission Clerk Joh een, Chain -rson
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