PC Minutes 1980-11-18ARROYO GRANDE PLANNING COMMISSION
November 18, '1980
The Arroyo Grande Planning Commission met in regular session with Chairman
Gorsline presiding. Present are Commissioners Gerrish, Cole; Fischer, Moots,
Pilkington and Sebastian. Planning Director Castro is also in attendance:
MINUTE APPROVAL
On motion by Commissioner Cole, seconded by Commissioner Fischer, and unani-
mously carried, the minutes of the regular meetings of October 21, 1980 and Novem-
ber 4, 1980 were approved as prepared.
DISCUSSION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION REGARDING ANNEXATION /DEVELOPMENT POLICIES
AND /OR RECOMMENDATIONS.
The Commissioners individually expressed their views and commented with re-
gard to future annexations to the City, future development within the boundaries
of the City, and the report prepared by City Engineer Karp on the City's water
supply, dated October 9, 1980. After considerable discussion, the following action
was taken:
RESOLUTION NO. 80 -783
RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE
CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE RECOMMENDING ADOPTION
OF AN ANNEXATION /DEVELOPMENT POLICY..
On motion by Commissioner Sebastian, seconded by Commissioner Moots, and by
the following roll call vote, to wit: -
AYES: Commissioners Fischer, Moots, Sebastian and Chairman Gorsline
NOES: Commissioners Gerrish, Cole and Pilkington
ABSENT: None
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 18th day of November 1980.
(MOTION: That no additional annexations be allowed to the City of Arroyo Grande -
until such time that we can meet the recommendations that the City Engineer, Paul
Karp, has set forth in establishing an adequate water supply of both quantity and
quality to meet the future needs within our boundaries.)
PUBLIC HEARING - USE PERMIT CASE NO. 80 -307, FIVE CITIES RENT -ALL, 100 TRAFFIC WAY
REQUEST FOR EXPANSION OF EXISTING USE, "H -S" DISTRICT. (MEINERT).
Planning Director Castro advised that the public hearing for the Use Permit
was re- advertised to include the property currently used for the operation, the
Saruwatari property and the Jim's Radiator Shop property. He pointed out that
staff has recommended denial of Jim's Radiator Shop property for expansion because
of the visual impact, and also the fact that the property is not large enough to
alleviate the problem. Commissioner Cole inquired as to what kind of improvements
would be required if the Saruwatari property were used for the expansion. Planning
Director Castro advised that his recommendations would include that fencing be in-
stalled to prevent - encroachment of equipment to the adjoining properties;-that the
area be made dust free. Also being that the property is a lower elevation than the
sidewalk, in his opinion it would have to be raised. He further noted that there
is a natural drainage system that would have to be taken care of; and proper light-
ing would have to be provided for safety reasons.
Commissioner Cole stated that the improvements could be very costly; they were
not going to help the business, and could destroy it. Mr. Castro stated, in his
opinion, the improvements are minimal and are also designed to protect the adjoin-
ing property owners. Mr. Castro further noted that the Commission may also recom-
mend that the City Council grant usage of, the public right of way, which is now
being used by Five Cities Rent -All.
Upon being assured by Planning Director Castro that public hearing for Use
Permit Case No. 80 -307, had been duly published, posted and property owners notified,
Chairman Gorsline declared the hearing open.
Mr. Richard Rossi, Attorney representing the property owners adjacent to the
business, stated his clients have no problem with using the property so long as the
dust is controlled. Mr. Rossi further pointed out two other items that he felt
the Commission should consider_is the visual problems caused by equipment parked in
the public right of way, and also the safety factor of having to cross a double
yellow line to get into the parking lot with heavy equipment.
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Mr. John Kuden stated he owns the - property, part of which Five Cities Rent -All
park some of their vehicles on,'which he objects to. He suggested that if the other
property is going to be used, that something other than crank case drainings be used
to control the dust. He stated he objects to the fact that crank case drainings are
being dumped on their property, and the fact that there are two trailers sitting on
his property and are based there as permanent structures. He inquired if building
permits have been issued for the lean =to that sticks out over his property, which
he also objects to. He stated he didn't think the trailers should have had the wheels
pulled out from under them and allowed to be used for storage; they are not legal.
Mr. Kuden stated he has no objections to the man making a living, but there has got
to be a limit; there are vehicles parked all over the street, on the sidewalk and
everywhere else, and if the property isn't big enough, then maybe something-else should
be put on it that can be accommodated - in that particular space.
Mr. Meinert, - Five Cities Rent -A11, stated that his landlords and Mr. Kuden have
been arguing for the last year and a half over the boundaries of that creek property,
and there is a permit on the patio, and there are wheels underneath the trailer, and
they do have barrels for the drain oil. Mr. Meinert stated they are looking for
other property and have been looking for quite some time. He further stated that he
would like to use the property known as Jim's Radiator property for a short time,
due to the fact that it is paved and it would not cost so much for improvements for
a short period of time. He stated that, hopefully, by the end of summer, they will
have another place.
There being no further comments from the audience, Gorsline declared
the hearing closed.
With regard to the disputed boundary Gerrish stated he did
not feel this matter was the Commission's problem, and does not necessarily affect
whether or not the Commission should issue a Use Permit to Mr. Meinert to use either
the Saruwatari property or the radiator shop property. Commissioner Sebastian stated
he, personally, feels that we should take a look at the best short -term alternative
to Mr. Meinert's parking problem, and as it has been pointed out, that is the use of
the radiator shop property across the way. Also, he suggested that the Commission
recommend to the City Council that the unuseable right of way be permitted to be used
by the permittee for a one year period.
After considerable discussion, the following action was taken:
RESOLUTION NO. 80-784 U
RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
ARROYO GRANDE GRANTING A USE PERMIT, CASE NO. 80 -307.
On motion by Commissioner Sebastian'; seconded by Commissioner Pilkington, and
by the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Gerrish, Cole, Fischer, Moots, Pilkington, Sebastian,
and Chairman Gorsline.
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 18th day of November 1980.
(MOTION: That Five Cities Rent -All's existing Use Permit be expanded to include
that property known as "Jim's Radiator ", subject to review in one year.)
RESOLUTION NO. 80-785
RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY
OF ARROYO GRANDE RECOMMENDING TO THE CITY COUNCIL
APPROVAL OF USE OF UNUSED PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY.
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On motion by Commissioner Sebastian, seconded by Commissioner Pilkington, and
by the following roll call vote, to wit:'
AYES: Commissioners Gerrish, Pilkington, Sebastian. and Gorsline.
NOES: Commissioners Cole, Fischer and Moots.
ABSENT: None
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 18th day of November 1980.
(MOTION: That Five Cities Rent -All be allowed to utilize the public right of way
adjacent to the fence of the existing use on the south west side of Traffic Way for
the purpose of parking vehicles, so long as those vehicles do not encroach upon the
driveable used right of way, subject to review in one year.)
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PUBLIC HEARING -USE PERMIT CASE NO. 80 -309, REQUEST FOR FREE STANDING SIGN IN AN
"H -S" HIGHWAY SERVICE DISTRICT, 909 GRAND AVENUE. (TOM COULL REALTY).
Planning Director Castro pointed out that there is a section in the Sight
Obstruction Ordinance of the City dealing with traffic visibility obstruction,
that would prevent the erection of this sign within that defined triangular area
and, unless that section is amended in some way, permission to erect a new sign
would not be in accordance with the Ordinance.
Upon being assured by Planning Director Castro that public hearing for Use
Permit Case No. 80 -309 had been duly published,posted and property owners notified,
Chairman Gorsline declared the hearing open.
Ann Haskin, 426 Garden Street, Of Managef.tfor Tom CoulL Realty, 'ad -
vised that there is a sign structure there now; and what they are suggesting
is to replace the original sign with a nicer looking sign, and move it back in 15
ft. from both Grand Avenue and Halcyon Road, which should allow plenty of visibility.
Rocky Rivera, 142 Pearwood, stated that the sign is basically to be put in the same
place as the existing sign is now and since the building is set back at an angle,
there is plenty of visibility coming from either way, so it doesn't obstruct any
kind of vision or the parking situation.
There being no further discussion for or against the proposed Use Permit,
Chairman Gorsline declared the hearing closed.
Planning Director Castro pointed out to the Commission that in order for the
sign to be approved, it would have to be outside of that triangular area, which
would put it in the parking area. Commissioner Sebastian stated it appears that
the conflict is such that the Commission could not do anything, except consider a
recommendation to amend the Ordinance. He further stated, in his opinion, the 40
ft. setback from the intersection doesn't seem to be practical.
After further discussion, the following action was taken:
On motion
following roll
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
RESOLUTION NO. 80 -786 U
RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
ARROYO GRANDE DENYING A USE PERMIT, CASE NO. 80 -309.
by Commissioner Cole, seconded by Commissioner Fischer, and by the
call vote, to wit:
Commissioners Gerrish, Cole, Fischer, Moots,Pilkington, Sebastian
and Chairman Gorsline:
None .
None
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 18th day of November 1980.
Planning Director Castro commented that staff would review the ordinance re-
quirement and bring it back to the Commission for further study.
PUBLIC HEARING - REZONING CASE NO. 80 -147, LOT 6, TRACT 604, OAK PARK ACRES, FROM
THE "C -N" DISTRICT TO THE "H -S" DISTRICT OR SUCH OTHER DISTRICT DEEMED ADVISABLE
BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION.
Planning Director Castro advised that in view of the fact that the City Council
has not yet taken action on the Commission's recommendation on the zone change on
Lots 1 and 2 of Oak Park Acres, the rezoning of Lot 6 is being recommended for con-
tinuance to the Planning Commission meeting of December 16th. Chairman Gorsline
announced that public hearing on Rezoning Case No. 80 -147 would be continued to the
meeting of December 16, 1980.
PUBLIC HEARING - PREZONING CASE NO. 80 -148, BRISCO ISLAND. (EL CAMINO REAL ANNEXA-
TION NO. 1) .
Planning Director Castro advised that this matter is before the Commission in
response to a referral from the City Council. The Council would like a recommenda-
tion from the Commission on the prezoning of the property before the matter of the
annexation comes to an election in March.
Upon being assured by Planning Director Castro that Public Hearing for Pre -
zoning Case No. 80 -148 had been duly published, posted and property owners notified,
Chairman Gorsline declared the hearing open.
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Mr. Ted Muscio stated he owns two apartment developments on Brisco Road, and
he would not like to see that use become a non - conforming use. Mr. Bill Tappan,
1525 Chilton St., stated he objects to the blanket "R -G" zoning from the north side
of Chilton to Frontage Road, pointing out that Chilton is a very narrow road, and
the "R -G" zoning would add too much traffic on that road. Mr. Kirby Gordon, 204
Indio Drive, Pismo Beach, stated he is a partner in the 24 units on an acre of land
included in the proposed annexation. He further stated that if this property is
zoned "R -G" as opposed to the "R -3 ", their 24 units would become a non - conforming
use, and he would be in favor of keeping the "R -3" District; he would like to see
a higher density on the hill and across the street. Mr. John Bjarnason, stated he
owns property on the west side of Brisco Road right up the hill from Mr. Gordon',
aid he:c thinks it is unfortunate to buy property and try to hold on to it with the
idea of developing it, and'then'find it is going to be zoned something else where
it would be incompatible to put another 24 unit apartment up there next- to his. Mr.
Dominic Burtek, stated he owns the property at 260 Robles Road, which is now zoned
for commercial, and is proposed for' "R -1" zoning. He stated there are some apart-
ments in there and if the property is changed to "R -1 ", it would be non- conforming
also. Jim Fogerty, 1202 Montego St., stated he is concerned with industry in his
backyard. He stated he has the last house right next to Ocean View School, and
the proposed zoning shows the "M" section going right up to his backyard. He com-
mented that he would rather see it as residential or garden apartments. Jerry
Habek stated he owns the old Krovious Motel on Robles Road, and in the County it
is zoned for commercial use. He stated when he'bought the building a few years
ago, his intent was to put a nice office building in there, and he would prefer
"H -S" zoning as opposed to the proposed "R -G" zoning. Mr. Howard Mankins, 200
Hillcrest Drive, stated he is speaking for probably the largest piece of undeveloped
property which is the entire "M" Zone there. He stated that there is a property
line in that area now, and in his opinion, they could work with staff and draw a
line to differentiate between the "M" zone and whatever might be appropriate for
that upper area, which might be "R -G" or some other residential zoning. He further
stated that it appears that the "P -M" zoning for the Brisco Road property would be
more appropriate than the "M" District, and it is a lighter type of use.
After considerable discussion, the Commission stated they would like to know
what the current County zoning is on the various properties, and what the existing
physical uses are on the properties now. Planning Director Castro stated that
another map with, the requested information would be prepared for further review.
Chairman Gorsline advised that the public hearing would be continued to the Plan-
ning Comm'i'ssion meeting of December 16, 1980.
REQUEST FOR ANNEXATION BY ERVIN ENGINEERING OF 15 ACRES ADJACENT TO GOLDEN WEST AND
SUNRISE TERRACE.
Planning Director Castro advised that Ervin Engineering had requested a contin-
uance of this matter to the next meeting of December 2, 1980.
REQUEST FOR CHANGE OF STREET ADDRESS FOR RESIDENCES IN OAK PARK LEISURE GARDENS.
Planning Director Castro referred to a letter from a resident in the Oak Park
Leisure Gardens development suggesting a change of address from Grieb Drive to James
Way. Mr. Castro stated he has no problem with the change if it provides for better
identification for the people who live there. He pointed out that'if there is a
concern as to emergency services being provided and the number not being identified
in the front, that can easily be taken care of by posting the number in the front
as well as in the back.
Glen Taylor, 1120 Grieb Drive, stated he is opposed to the change of address.
He further stated that he called the service, Police and Fire Departments
and they have no objections to finding our residences now. Also, it would cause a
lot of confusion for the utility companies and the' mail service. Mrs. Robert Ruth,
1088 Grieb Drive, stated she is representing' 15 home owners on Grieb Drive who are
requesting the change. She stated they are requesting the change for clarification
and also for emergency services. Mr. Joe Meyer, 1116 Grieb Drive, stated he is con-
cerned about the emergency services and would be in favor of the change from Grieb
Drive to James Way.
After considerable discussion, on motion by Commissioner Gerrish, seconded by
Commissioner Pilkington, and carried with one "no" vote, approving the requested
change of street address for residences in Oak Park Leisure Gardens from Grieb Drive
to James Way.
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WRITTEN COMMUNICATIONS
Planning Director Castro reviewed the letter from Mr. Freer addressed to the
Planning Commission, dated October 21, 1980, regarding concerns over the possibility
of mobilehome parks in Arroyo Grande being resubdivided by planned development or
being converted to another use. Mr. Castro stated, in his opinion, the Sunrise
Terrace development cannot be subdivided into less than 6,000 square foot lots, if
it is subdivided at all. The only other possibility would be if the owner were to
come in with a Planned Development, and the Commission would have to consider the
application and its merits at that point in time.
Mr. Eugene Freer, 336 Sunrise Drive, stated he is representing the Golden
State Mobilehome Owners League, consisting of 235 members, and he is speaking for
them tonight. Mr. Freer briefly reviewed the mobilehome owners' concerns and
asked that the Commission consider recommending to the City Council that they
consider an ordinance changing the Zoning Ordinance to regulate in what manner
such a conversion might exist. He stated he has copies of ordinances regulating
the conversion of mobilehome parks from other cities. Planning Director Castro
stated there is a Senate Bill that has been approved indicating that not only does
notice have to be given by the owner of a piece of property to the tenants if, in
fact, there is to be a conversion; but prior to the approval of that map by the City,
you have to require mitigation measures. In other words, a determination is made if
the impact of that conversion is going to cause people to change from an affordable
state to a non - affordable housing situation.
After a brief discussion, the Commission indicated they would like to review
the ordinances adopted by other cities regarding conversions. Mr. Freer advised
he would have copies made available to the Commission for their consideration.
LETTER FROM DANNY PACE, ARROYO AUTO SALES, 1119 GRAND AVENUE RE: TEMPORARY
MOBILE OFFICE UNIT.
Planning Director Castro referred to a letter from Mr. Pace of Arroyo Auto
Sales, 1119 Grand Avenue, requesting approval to replace a small office trailer
on the sales lot with a larger mobile office. Planning Director Castro explained
that the business trailer was being moved in without approval, and the Building
Department tagged the trailer and advised Mr. Pace that he would need to address
a letter to the Planning Commission regarding the location of that mobile unit.
Mr. Castro stated he doesn't feel that the unit itself is going to add or subtract
from the existing development and, if the Commission is in agreement, he could
handle the matter administratively. After a brief discussion, the Commission
requested that staff process the necessary permits, etc., with the stipulation
that the mobile unit not be used for living purposes.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business before the Commission, the meeting was
adjourned by the Chairman at 10:40 P.M. I _
ATTEST:
REVIEW OF LETTER FROM MR. EUGENE FREER REGARDING SUNRISE TERRACE MOBILEHOME PARK.
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