PC Minutes 1980-11-0426
ARROYO GRANDE PLANNING COMMISSION
November 4, 1980
The Arroyo Grande Planning Commission met in regular session with Chair-
man Gorsline presiding. Present are Commissioners Cole, Fischer, Gerrish,
Pilkington and Sebastian. Commissioner Moots, is absent. Planning Director
Castro is also in attendance.
MINUTE APPROVAL
On motion by Commissioner Gerrish, seconded by Commissioner Sebastian,
and unanimously carried, the minutes of the regular meeting of October 7, 1980
were approved as peepared.
REVIEW COMMITTEE ACTIONS - LOT SPLIT CASE NO. 80-338, HUASNA ROAD. (BRENNAN)
Planning Director Castro advised that the matter before the Commission is
reapproval of a previous tentative map which the Commission had approved some-
time ago, regarding the Brennan property and, because of the expiration period
reapproval by the Commission is necessary.
Mr. Castro referred to the Minor Subdivision Committee Action, dated Oct-
ober 29, 1980, noting the three conditions of approval. He noted that the City
Engineer had requested improvements on both Huasna Road and Fortuna Court. His
reason for requesting improvements stems from a complaint received from the ad-
joining property owner regarding drainage. Mr. Ed Dorfman, representing Mrs.
Brennan, stated that Mr. Nelson waters and it does run down the street.and pond's
by her neighbor, Ralph Beck, and he called and talked to Joe Anderson on the
matter one time. He stated he would not call again. Commissioner Sebastian
stated that if Mrs. Brennan completed the curb, gutter and sidewalk at this time,
it couldn't alleviate the problem; it could only shift it 163 ft. to the east.
After a brief discussion, on motion by Commissioner Sebastian, seconded by
Commissioner Fischer, and unanimously carried, Lot Split Case No. 80 -338 was ap-
proved subject to the three conditions listed in Minor Subdivision Committee
Action, dated October 29, 1980.
COMMISSIONER MOOTS ENTERED THE MEETING DURING THE ABOVE DISCUSSION.
ELECTION OF OFFICERS AND COMMITTEE APPOINTMENTS FOR 1980 -81.
Chairman Gorsline opened the nominations for Chairman of the Planning Com-
mission for the year 1980 -81. Commissioner Cole nominated Commissioner Gerrish
as Chairman. Commissioner Sebastian nominated Commissioner Gorsline as Chairman.
Commissioner Fischer moved that nominations be closed. On motion by Commissioner
Sebastian, seconded by Commissioner Fischer, and carried with one "no" vote, Com-
missioner Gorsline was elected Chairman of the Planning Commission for the year
1980 -81. On motion by Commissioner Sebastian, seconded by Commissioner Cole, and
unanimously carried, Commissioner Gerrish was elected Vice Chairman of the Plan-
ning Commission for the year 1980 -81.
After a brief discussion, Commissioner Gerrish and Chairman Gorsline agreed
to serve on the Lot Split and Architectural Review Committee. Commissioner Moots
was appointed as the alternate to serve on both Committees.
PUBLIC HEARING - USE PERMIT CASE NO. 80 -306 - 27 UNIT AIR SPACE CONDOMINIUM UNITS
IN AN "R - G" GARDEN APARTMENT DISTRICT, 1100 BLOCK OF ASH STREET, (WILLIAMS)
Planning Director Castro reviewed the staff report dated October 30, 1980.
He advised the reason this development is before the Commission again is because
at the time Mr. Newdoll was proposing the project, he had advised that he was
not interested in an air space condominium project. At that point, Mr. Castro
had advised that a Use Permit would not be necessary, which was an error; a Use
Permit is required regardless of whether it is an air space condominium project
or a townhouse project.
He further advised that the Architectural Review Committee has again reviewed
the plans and, with the exception of the guest parking area, the plans are identi-
cal to what the Commission had previously approved. He stated that the guest
parking is 9' x 20' and should be 10' x 20'. He further stated that the condit-
ions for this project have been previously recommended by the Commission and this
is merely an informational matter as far as the plans are concerned.
Upon being assured by Planning Director Castro that public hearing for Use
Permit Case No. 80 -306 had been duly published, posted and property owners noti-
fied, Chairman Gorsline declared the hearing open.
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In answer to Chairman Gorsline's question regarding price range, Mr. Williams
stated they are projecting prices to be in the range of $65,000 to $75,000 depend-
ing on what the economy does in the next six months.
There being no further comments from the public, Chairman Gorsline declared
the hearing closed and the following action was taken:
RESOLUTION NO. 80 -780 U
RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
ARROYO GRANDE GRANTING A USE PERMIT, CASE NO. 80 -306.
On motion by Commissioner Gerrish, seconded by Commissioner Moots, and by
the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Cole, Fischer, Gerrish, Moots, Pilkington,
Sebastian and Chairman Gorsline.
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 4th day of November, 1980.
PUBLIC HEARING - USE PERMIT CASE NO. 80- 30 FIVE CITIES RENT ALL, 100 TRAFFIC
WAY, REQUEST FOR EXPANSION OF EXISTING USE. (MEINERT). - -
Planning Director Castro briefly reviewed the staff report, dated October
10, 1980. Commissioner Sebastian noted that the map on the Notice of Public Hear-
ing does not show the two properties being proposed for expansion of the use.
After a brief discussion, on motion by Commissioner Moots, seconded by. Commissioner
Cole, and unanimously carried, the matter was continued to the next regular meeting
pending re- advertisement of the public hearing.
PUBLIC HEARING - REZONING CASE NO; 80 -147, ZONE CHANGE FROM "R -G" GARDEN APARTMENT
DISTRICT TO "R -3" MULTIPLE FAMILY DISTRICT.
Planning Director Castro advised that the action tonight is to bring into
compliance the previous action of the Planning Commission regarding the General
Plan Amendment, which has also been endorsed by the City Council.
Upon, being assured by Planning Director Castro that public hearing for Rezon-
ing Case No. 80 -147 had been duly published, posted and property owners notified,
Chairman Gorsline declared the hearing open. -
Mr. Fischer stated he is a resident of Crown Hill #6 and he is in favor of
the proposal as a resident of the Crown Hill Apartments. Kirby Gordon, 405 Indio
Drive, Pismo Beach, spoke in favor of the zone change, stating he would reserve
further comments until the public hearing for the Use Permit is opened.
There being no further discussion for or against the proposed zone change,
Chairman Gorsline declared the hearing closed.
After a brief discussion the following action was taken:
RESOLUTION NO. 80 -781 Z
RESOLUTION OF THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE PLANNING
COMMISSION RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT
TO THE MUNICIPAL CODE OF THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE
AS PROVIDED BY CHAPTER 4 ZONING, ARTICLE 32, OF SAID
CODE.
On motion by Commissioner Gerrish, seconded by Commissioner Pilkington,
and by the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Cole, Fischer, Gerrish, Moots, Pilkington and
Chairman Gorsline.
NOES: Commissioner Sebastian
ABSENT:, None
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 4th day of November 1980.
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PUBLIC HEARING - USE PERMIT CASE N0. 80 -308 TO ALLOW FOR CONVERSION OF APARTMENTS
TO AIR SPACE CONDOMINIUM UNITS, 523 CROWN STREET. (IRVINE /GORDON).
Planning Director Castro. requested that if the Commission is disposed in
granting the Use Permit, that it be made subject to the certification of the zon-
ing process. Mr. Castro advised that if the Commission is disposed in
with the condominium conversion, then the conditions that are listed in the staff
report, dated October 30, 1980 would be proper. He noted that the deficit in the
personal storage area noted in Item #1 is approximately 20 square feet per dwell-
ing unit, instead of 200 ft. With regard to Item #4 he advised that the plan sub-
mitted by the applicant for the guest parking will not work. Planning Director
Castro• further• commented that he could not support relocation of the trash area to
the front portion of the property.
Mr. Mitch Walker, Engineer for the applicant reviewed the proposed parking
plans for the project.
Upon being assured by Planning Director Castro that public hearing for Use
Permit Case No. 80 -308 had been duly published, posted and property owners noti-
fied, Chairman Gorsline declared the hearing open.
Mr. Kirby Gordon, 305 Indio Drive, Pismo Beach, one of the general partners
of the project, spoke in favor of the Use Permit being granted. He pointed out
that they have been before the Commission a number of times on the project, and .
the conversion was first proposed before there was a Condominium Conversion Ord-
inance. He further noted that they have gone through every item in the Condo-
minium Conversion Ordinance, which came through after the fact; they have hired
sound engineers to test for sound, and have met those qualifications; they have
the open space; the private areas; washer and dryer hook -ups in each unit; how-
ever, they are short 20 square feet of storage space. With regard to the guest
parking, Mr. Gordon stated they have never had a guest parking problem up there.
Sixteen of their tenants have signed a letter of intent to purchase the units
and, in his opinion, it is a way to provide moderate cost housing to individuals.
He further noted that they have a tentative map approval on the project, and now
all of a sudden there is a new requirement that can be feasibly applied to vacant
land, but"for them to come in now and comply with another condition of guest park-
ing is unreasonable. He asked that the Commission look at their project in light
of the City's Ordinance and in light of the fact that they have a tentative map
approval, and support the application for a condominium conversion. Mr. Mitch
Walker, Engineer for the applicants, stated that the issue of guest parking should
be judged on the fact that this is an• "as built" development and how it is working.
He stated there is no parking problem because of the types of residents and the
types of cars.
Judith Wheeler, Rt. 2, Box 653, Arroyo Grande, stated in her opinion the kind
of project Mr. Gordon is proposing is greatly needed and it fills a need for young
families to own their own homes. One of the tenants of the Crown Hill Apartments
stated a condominium is more affordable and she would be interested in buying a
condominium unit.
There being no 'further comments, for or against the proposed Use Permit, Chair-
man Gorsline declared the hearing closed.
Mr. Castro reviewed the previous action of the Commission regarding the General
Plan change and the zone change. He stated that staff has proceeded with all of
the investigation relative to the conversion process and have found only problems
with the storage, the front doors and with the parking. He further stated that the
problem of the guest parking is a policy of the Commission and, in his opinion, he
doesn't feel it is a sacred thing of the Commission that couldn't be reviewed and
discussed, imposed or deleted from the project.
After considerable discussion, the following action was taken:
RESOLUTION NO. 80 -782 U
RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF •
ARROYO GRANDE GRANTING A USE PERMIT, CASE NO. 80 -308.
On motion by Commissioner Cole, seconded by Commissioner Pilkington, and by
the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Cole, Fischer, Gerrish, Pilkington and Chairman Gorsline.
NOES:` Commissioners Moots and Sebastian
ABSENT: None
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 4th day of November 1980.
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PUBLIC HEARING - PROPOSED ORDINANCE - CULTURAL.HERITAGE COMMISSION
Planning Director Castro briefly reviewed.the staff report, dated October 30,
1980, pointing out that basically, in his opinion, there are merits to the suggest-
ions being offered by the Historical Society in the adoption of the Ordinance, and
the benefits that can be derived from its approval is the preservation of.histori-
cal buildings which have some significance to the history of the community and the
Village area. He stated that one of the negative aspects would be the implementa-
tion of the ordinance to the number of dollars it may reflect on the community. Mr.
Castro recommended that prior to any recommendation being forwarded to the Council,
the Commission request a reconnaissance report or survey from the Historical Society
indicating what properties or buildings are anticipated to be addressed by the pro-
posed ordinance.
Upon being assured by Planning Director Castro that public hearing for proposed
Ordinance on the Cultural Heritage Commission had been duly published and posted,
Chairman Gorsline declared the hearing open..
Beth Garner, 11531 Pike Lane, Oceano, stated she is a member of the Historical
Society. She advised the Commission that the wording of the proposed ordinance
came from a model ordinance put out by the State. As an example of how the ordi-
nance would work, Ms. Garner stated that if there was a building that the Heritage
Commission felt should be preserved and if the owner wished to modify it, then the
Ordinance would provide at least an option to bring it before the Planning Commis-
sion and the public and there would be a chance for some kind of public input to
know what the people of the City wanted to do. She further stated that, hopefully,
the Ordinance would make it a lot easier to get around City building codes to modi-
fy an older building and bring it up to standard, but not'necessarily up to the
City standards for a new building. Also, it would make it easier to apply for a
grant of any kind in that other governmental bodies would be a little more amiable
to cooperate if there was a Historical Ordinance.
Arnold Teague, San Luis Obispo, stated he is °the President of the Historical
Society. He stated the Planning Commission would have some control in the Commis-
sion in an advisory capacity, in that the Historical Commission would suggest a
historical area, and then it would be in the Commission's power to control what
would be done to the property.
Judy Wheeler, Corbett Canyon Road in Arroyo Grande, stated she is a part owner
of a 90 year old house in the Village area which is presently for sale, and inquired
what the Ordinance would entail. Planning Director Castro advised that if the Ordi-
nance were to be implemented by the Council and if the house she is referring to
happens to fall within a designated historical area, then whatever took place on the
property would have to be reviewed by the Historical. Commission, or it could be de-
leted from the district. Mrs. Wheeler stated she would be in favor of such an ordi-
nance.
Mrs. Garner advised that the proposed ordinance would give the Planning Commis-
sion a frame work within which to work. The Planning Commission would refer to the
Cultural Heritage Commission anything that fell within the purview of the Cultural
Heritage Commission, and a recommendation would then be made back to the Planning
Commission, which would then go'to the City Council. This would give plenty of time
for a public reply.
Faith T. Berkely, and Jane Hubbard spoke in favor of the proposed Ordinance.
After considerable discussion by the Commission, the matter was continued pending
further investigations by Mr. Castro and the Historical Society regarding a survey of
proposed historical buildings and amendments to the proposed ordinance.
REVIEW COMMITTEE ACTION - ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW CASE NO. 80 -233, HUASNA ROAD, "LAKE
WAY CONDOS ", 16 AIR SPACE CONDOMINIUM UNITS, HUASNA ROAD. (RANELLETTI).
Planning Director Castro briefly reviewed the staff report dated October 30,
1980, pointing out some of the of the Committee noting the driveway lengths
being inadequate and unrealistic for the needs of families that may be purchasing in
the development, and the present treatment of the rear elevation of the units. He
stated it was the Committee's recommendation also that the rear portions of the units
be architecturally treated to blend with the English Tudor style of architecture pro-
vided on the front elevations. Another concern of the Committee related to the ex-
tent of the landscaping by the applicant.
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On motion by Commissioner Sebastian, seconded by Commissioner Fischer, and unani-
mously carried, the overall conceptual plans as presented, Architectural Review Case
No. 80 -233, were denied without prejudice.
After considerable discussion by the Commission, Planning Director Castro ad-
vised applicants of the Commission findings being.basically their concern about the
driveways opening on to Huasna Road; the concern about the 20 ft. width in the ..
garage areas opening to one another;. the English Tudor architecture appears to be
too busy; and the lack of available open space. Also, the concern that design -wise,
the length of the property is inadequate for 16 units.
REVIEW COMMITTEE ACTIONS - LOT SPLIT CASE NO. 80 -339, ALDER STREET. (RICE).
Planning Director Castro briefly reviewed the Minor Subdivision Action,
dated October 29, 1980.
After a brief discussion, on motion by Commissioner Sebastian, seconded by Com-
missioner Fischer, and unanimously carried, approving Minor Subdivision Committee
Action, dated October 29, 1980, on Lot Split Case Ng. 80 -339.
DISCUSSION BY THE PLANNING COMMISSION REGARDING ANNEXATION /DEVELOPMENT POLICIES
AND /OR.RECOMMENDATIONS.- .
Due to the lateness of the hour, the Commission agreed to schedule the subject
item.at 7:00 P.M: at the,next regular_meeting..of November 18,, 1980.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further.business before the Commission „,the meeting was adjourned
by the Chairman at 11:00 P.M. v
ATTEST:
.Secretary c; airman.
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