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PC Minutes 1978-02-07460 Ia Grande Planning Commission 1 ?ebruary 7, 1978 The Arroyo Grande Planning Commission met in regular session with Acting Chairman Harris presiding. Present are Commissioners Moots, Ries and Vandeveer. Commissioner Cole and Chairman Gerrish are absent. One vacancy exists on the Commission. Also in attendance are Planning Director Castro and Planner. Sullivan. MINUTE APPROVAL Bill McCann, 420 'canner Lane, stated that one of the coments he made t the meeting of January 17, 1978 was omitted from those minutes. The continent by lfir. i•icCann with regard to the LIR on Rancho Grande was as follows: "It appears that we have not only been inundated by water this week, but we have also been inun- dated by the labor organizations, and I think these people could spend their time much better if they went to San Luis Obispo and cities such as that where they have not provided their housing needs. Arroyo Grande has long been a bedroom community for San Luis Obispo, and residential construction does not pay its way in taxes, and we can no longer afford to be the bedroom community for San Luis Obispo. So, I suggest you people go to San Luis Obispo and get them to take care of their own housing needs before you start picking on Arroyo Grande, because not only are you asking us to take care of San Luis Obispo, you are saying approve a project that will increase our growth rate by about three fold and take care of all the cities in the South County, not only San Luis Obispo, and its more than the citizens who live here in Arroyo Grande can handle." Mr. icCann further stated that in the minutes of January 11, 1978, fourth para -• gapir of rage 0, the ca:rents made regarding the discontinuity of the project were not made by him. It was determined that these continents were made by Mr. Bill Larujwortlry. There being no :further corrections, the minutes of the regular meeting of January 3, 1973, special meeting of January 11, 1978, and regular meeting of January 17, 1978 were approved by Acting Chairman Harris as corrected. REVIEW COMMITTEE ACTIONS - LOT SPLIT CASE NO. 78 -286, ORCHARD STREET (WILLIAMS) . Planner Sullivan advised that the lot is located at the intersection of Orchard Street and Pilgrim Way. There are four parcels involved and they all meet the mini- mum requirements for the "R -1" District. Planner Sullivan reviewed the conditions of the Minor Subdivision Review Committee, dated February 1, 1978 and, after a brief discussion, Committee action was approved as submitted. REQUEST FOR NEGATIVE DECLARATION - LOT SPLIT CASE NO. 78 -286, ORCHARD STREET (WILLIAMS). There being no comments from the audience or the Commission regarding the Request for Negative Declaration, the following action was taken: RESOLUTION NO. 78 -590 EIR RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE ACCEPTING NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL DECLARATION. On motion by Commissioner Vandeveer, seconded by Commissioner Ries, and by the following roll call vote, to wit: AYES: Commissioners Moots, Ries, Vandeveer and Acting Chairman Harris NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner Cole and Chairman Gerrish the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 7th day of February 1978. LOT SPLIT CASE NO. 78 -287, RUTH ANN WAY - LOT LINE ADJUSTMENT (MC HANEY) Planner Sullivan advised that on Lots 12, 13 and 14 in the Ruth Ann Way tract when the retaining walls were under construction, they started out at the property line and as they proceeded towards the rear of the property, they got farther and farther away from the property line. At the rear of the lots they were some 3 -1/2 feet away from the property line, and the developers are now requesting that those property lines be adjusted so that they run with the now existing retaining walls. lir. Sullivan reviewed the conditions of the Minor Subdivision Committee, dated February 1, 1978 and, after discussion, Committee action was approved as submitted Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 2 -7 -78 Page 2 REVIEW COMMITTEE ACTION - LOT SPLIT CASE NO. 78 -288, 1070 GRAND AVE. (WOLOSZ) . Planner Sullivan stated that the lot is 506 ft. deep fronting on Grand Avenno, and Linda Drive now dcadends into this lot. What the applicant proposes to do is create two residential lots, both sized over 10,000 square feet, with a Highway Service District lot in the front that is 23,000 square feet. Mr. Sullivan rev ::caw•, -d the conditions of approval of the Minor Subdivision Committee, dated February l., 197F and, after a brief d:isussion, Committee action was approved as submitted. REQUEST FOR NEGATIVE DECLARATION - LOT SPLIT CASE 78 -288, 1070 GRAND AVE. (WOLOSZ). There being no comments from the audience or the Commission regarding the Re urs;t for Negative Declaration, the following action was taken: RESOLUTION NO. 78 -591 EIR RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE ACCEPTING NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL DECLARATION. On motion by Commissioner Vandeveer, seconded by Commissioner Moots, and by the following roll call vote, to wit: AYES: Commissioners Moots, Ries, Vandeveer and Acting Chairman Harris NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner Cole and Chairman Gerrish the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 7th day of February 1978. PUBLIC HEARING - AMENDMENT TO THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO PROVIDE FOR THE ALLOWANCE OF ENCLOSED FAMILY -TYPE RESTAURANTS IN THE "C -N" NEIGHBORHOOD COMMERCIAL DISTRICT. Planner Sullivan reviewed that at the January 3, 1978 meeting, the Planning Commission discussed and adopted a resolution determining that restaurants are a similar use in the "C -N" District, and staff felt that since that determination has been made, it should be made a permanent permissive use in the District. Planner Sullivan advised that staff is recommending that Section 9- 4.1202 of the Zoning Ordinance be amended to read: "(a) Food stores; bakery shops; drug; variety; delicatessen; hardware; shoe repair; book; gift; stationery; record; flower and other speciality shops; beauty shops, barber shops, cleaning and laundry agencies; and restaurants, but not including drive -in or auto oriented restaurants." Upon being assured by Planning Director Castro that public hearing for an amendment to the Zoning Ordinance had been duly published and posted, Acting Chairman Harris declared the hearing open. There being no discussion for or against the pro- posed amendment, Acting Chairman Harris closed the hearing, and the following action was taken: RESOLUTION NO. 78 -592 Z RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE RECOMMENDING APPROVAL OF AN AMENDMENT TO ZONING ORDINANCE NO. 24 C.S. On motion by Commissioner Ries, seconded by Commissioner Vandeveer, and by the following roll call vote, to wit: AYES: Commissioners Moots, Ries, Vandeveer and Acting Chairman Harris NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner Cole and Chairman Gerrish the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 7th day of February 1978. SUBDIVISION REVIEW (RESUBMITTAL) - TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NO. 689, "OAK PARK VILLAS ", MULTIPLE RESIDEN:L'IAL PLANNED. DEVELOPMENT, LOT 7, TRACT NO. 604 (KVIDT AND FOREMASTER). Planner Sullivan described the area in question on the map, advising that it is an "R -G" land use designation in Oak Park Acres and principally is a duplex type development for 96 units plus the park. He further advised that the Subdivision Review Board had met and considered this matter again, and he reviewed the recommen- dations of the Board, dated February 1, 1978. In answer to Bill Langworthy's question as to the number of units, it was pointed out that 37 units are planned in the adult section, and the balance of 59 units in the family section. 461 462 Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 2 -7 -78 Mr. Landsman, Newman Drive merit would have on the Lucia Mar to school in the District, which McCann, 428 Tanner Lane, pointed division, he was quite firm when capacity, and recommends that. no Page 3 , expressed his concern over the impact this develop- School District and its affects on his children going will be adversely affected by this development. out that in Dr. Hoagland's letter regardir :g this. s, he stated that the Lucia Mar School Pi.strict was at additional projects be approved. Mr. Lou Caballero, 132 Bridge Street, engineer for the project,. stated h 1i. :rs in the South County and his son goes to school here, and he recalled what has happened to the bonds we have tried to get in the District in the past. Ella Honeycutt, 560 Oak Hill Road, stated at the time the project was approved, Mr. Kvidt stated his development would take up to 10 years to develop. She referred to Mr. Castro's comments that he has already been given approval on the bulk of Oak Park Acres. Mr. Kvidt pointed out that 251 units have been approved, and there are a total of 354 units all together to he developed. Mrs. Honeycutt stated her concern with the schools, and it bothers her that in a year and five months he has gotten two - thirds of the project O.K.'d. She further stated that somewhere they are supposed to put in some low cost .housing and inquired if this is the tract they are to be in- cluded in. Lou Caballero stated he believed this was the tract where low cost hous- ing is provided. Mr. Steve Liebzeit, 410 Woodland Drive, asked if there are any schools provided in that district. He stated, in his opinion, if they want that many people in here, they should at least put in an elementary school, and that it should be built now to provide for the people that are coming in. Planning Director Castro advised there was no school site required by the School District for this particular development. The school site is being requested by the School District on the adjoining property for the Rancho Grande development. Acting Chairman Harris pointed out that this basic project has been approved sometime ago and, essentially, the Commission doesn't have absolute say; the Com- mission has some say over the details and the design of the development going in, but that it is too late to require a school site in there now; this should have been done when the project was originally approved. Lou Caballero advised that this particular plan is part of an overall sub- division which was done a year or two years ago, and the restrictions and require- ments that were imposed on this subdivision at that time have been adhered to. Acting Chairman Harris further pointed out that what we are deciding on now is what it is going to look like. Basically, they have a right to put the development in; that was decided some time ago by the Commission and the City Council, and that some of the discussion here is on matters that are moot on this particular project. Mr. Dick Foy, So. 8th Street, Grover City, stated in his opinion, the Planning Commission is not taking into consideration the School District needs, and that they should take these needs into consideration when plans are being made. Bill Langworthy, Printz Road, commented that the phasing requirements put on Oak Park Acres turned out to be meaningless. The statements that were made at that time about how many years it would take to build out appears to have been overly pessimistic as far as the developer is concerned, and it appears now that it is going to develop a lot more rapidly. This is the fourth of the six residen- tial parcels to he proposed, and there is only one more really big one. He stated he noticed that Mr. Kvidt has divided the parcel. into 1/3 adult only and 2/3 families, and inquired if there is any way that we can enforce the adult only community to be an adult only community': Acting Chairman Harris commented that it may be difficult to enforce that, nevertheless, regardless of who lives in there he still has the right to put in that number of units, and as far as the .time goes, that was merely a speculative statement by the developer and there is no binding agreement with the Ci'_y on time phasing; the phasing is simply on certain improve- ments that are put in es prerequisites and does not have anything to do with time. What you are stating is basically an argument for corrections to be made on future developments, but it is a moot situation regarding this particular development; they have certain vested rights now, and if the conditions turn out to be different than was supposed by the Commission and City Council at one time, it is too late on this one. Bill Langworthy, Printz Road, commented that it looks like the knoll is to be intact. Planner Sullivan advised that parcel of land is going to be dedicated to the C.i.t'7 for a park which is 2+ acres. Mr. Iangworthy asked if the Ci tv is ore- Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 2 -7 -78 Page 4 pared to accept that dedication. He pointed out that earlier they were not prepared to accept the greenbelt sections. Planner Sullivan pointed out that the acceptance of the land would be up to the City Council. In answer to Mr. Langworthy's question if these units would be owner occupied, Mr. Kvidt advised these are zero lot line homes; they have a double wall with a'slight air space in between, and they are sold as individual residential units. They are being sold to home buyers; people who are going to occupy them and make them their primary home. Mr. Langworthy stated he observed the Oak Park Acres development pretty care- fully and of all of the 14 parcels, this is the one that hurts the most because right out there on that curve on Oak Park Boulevard heading out toward residential and rural country, we are going to have 96 units of common wall duplexes. Acting Chair- man Harris asked that the audience reserve their comments to this particular matter being considered. Peggy Langworthy, Printz Road, commented that she drives that way every day and her children ride the school bus through there, and she felt the developers should take this plan back and start all over again. She further stated that she recalled vaguely that somewhere along the way that the curve was supposed to have been eliminated, and that park was supposed to have been an island, and the road was supposed to be straightened. She stated she considered that exit from the tract onto that blind corner so bad that it is totally unacceptable. Lou Caballero stated that the road is being realigned. There was considerable discussion with regard to major and minor grading, and grading occurring during the rainy season. Planning Director Castro stated, in his opinion, this will constitute major grading, and whether it carries on to November of next year is something that the City Engineer will have to determine at that point in time. Acting Chairman Harris advised that the details are subject to further City approval; for example, they have to provide maps which will indicate in more detail exactly how they are going to do their grading, and the City Engineer and City staff has to approve these. This basically approves the overall concept of what the de- velopment is going to look like, and there are further approvals in more detail which have to be obtained, including when they are going to be doing the grading. Mrs. Ella Honeycutt, 560 Oak Hill Road, commented that after the flooding she has seen in the last few days, in her opinion, maybe the City should consider a complete drainage plan for the whole area. She referred to the problems that have happened in the hills, in the Noyes area, and stated she has aerial photographs which were taken in the 30's and 40's when the CCC camps rebuilt all of the hills, and what is happening today is that all of the work is being undone. She stated that unless Oak Park, Rancho Grande and Halcyon Hills all get together and have a complete drainage plan, you are heading for a real serious problem, and she believed that a complete drainage study should be done now. Mrs. Honeycutt referred to the story and pictures out of the Soil Conservation Survey of 1935 which tells the whole story. Mr. Lou Caballero stated that under the original tract there was a drainage study done and the only way they could have arrived at the size of the drainage structures that were constructed, would have been through a drainage analysis of the area, and that was done for the complete Tract 604, and there was an approved drainage plan for the overall tract. In addition to that, they have designed a preliminary on -site drainage plan that will be incorporated into the overall tract and in his opinion, the concerns regarding drainage have been taken care of. Mrs. Honeycutt indicated that she would give City Engineer Karp the aerial photographs to become part of the records because she felt that this is something that really has to be looked at. Mr. Landsman, Newman Drive, inquired if the citizens would have plenty of time to raise their concerns to get rational solutions to the problems they are going to face. Acting Chairman Harris advised that they would be given the opportunity to express their opinions, but reiterated that he would prefer if the people would restrict their comments to the issue at hand. Elizabeth Jackson, 208 Fair View Drive-,.- _.inquired if it is too late to have them put in their complete drainage system before they go any further with the phasing, because everytime phasing is approved we come up with a drainage problem, and we should have the complete drainage layout of the whole thing before we go 463, 464 Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 2 -7 -78 Page 5 any further. Planning Director Castro advised, in response to Mrs. Jackson and Mrs. Honeycutt's concern regarding drainage, there is an overall drainage report that was prepared for the Oak Park development and, on his arrival with the City, he was concerned with the down stream conditions since the Oak Park development is also draining the County properties, and staff did review a report prepared by Mr. Kvidt's engineers, and the plan is following that master plan for drainage so that as far as water run -off, it will be resolved according to that final report which was accepted by the City Council. He stated that one of the concerns the staff had was not so much with the City development, but with the County development. He stated that they had discussed the matter with the County and were turned off rather badly because of the approach that they take is that they really weren't concerned with down stream conditions and, in his opinion, it is going to affect any develop- ment whether in Arroyo Grande, Grover City or Pismo Beach because that is the natural water run -off. He pointed out that there is a report that does address itself to that and this plan is in compliance with that report, therefore, he didn't see any problem with the approval of the preliminary drainage plan, which would be subject to Public Works Department approval. Mr. Bill Langworthy, Printz Road, stated he felt that the drainage plan was fairly decent for Oak Park Acres and he feels that the real problem is up stream. And in the County a little bit beyond where he lives, during the last three drier than normal years, people have come in and done absolutely grotesque things to the land up there and, as a result, all of the drainage lines along Noyes Road are absolutely brim full with soil, and it isn't even getting down to Oak Park Acres yet; it is stopping up stream a ways. Ella Honeycutt, 560 Oak Hill Road, referred to some of the pictures showing Noyes Road as one of the worst areas for siltation. She stated maybe we need to get together with the cities and the County and take care of some of these structures that were built because some of these structures are still operating, and to go in and just destroy them and not replace them with something better is, in her opinion, ridiculous. Planning Director Castro stated that the type of improvements that are being made on the Oak Park Acres development are adequate. Where there is an inadequacy is in the County development, and that is something that we have no jurisdiction over. Mr. Landsman inquired if we could, in some way, express this problem to the Supervisors. Acting Chairman Harris advised that the most proper way to handle that would be for the staff to write a letter indicating the problems they have had dealing with the County, recommending it to the Planning Commission, and the Planning Commission recommend it to the City Council, and the City Council pass and send it to the Board of Supervisors. Peggy Langworthy and Bill McCann con- curred that these problems should be taken to the County and make the County do something about it. Mr. McCann further commented that, in his opinion, eventually we are going to want to take that jog out of Oak Park Boulevard, and when we do, we are going to have to take that dedicated park land and put the road right through the middle of it. Acting Chairman Harris commented, in his opinion, he didn't believe they would straighten the road if we approve this plan as proposed because in order to straighten the road, not only would it have to go through the proposed park, but they would have to tear out about 8 or 10 of the individual units. Mr. Kvidt pointed out that in earlier hearings on this project, there was some dis- cussion about straightening this road, and there were some people at that time said they didn't want the road straightened out. He further stated that there is some realignment to permit line of sight, widening and extending the culvert to the drainage area, etc. Peggy Langworthy, Printz Road, stated she hopes that with the widening of Oak Park it will be satisfactory and, at least if you have enough visi- bility with no shrubbery as a visual impediment, it would be a little bit more of a safety factor. Planning Director Castro summarized the staff's recommendations regarding this project. He advised the project has been under review by the staff for the last three months or so. There have been several submittals made to the City which were unacceptable from a grading standpoint, the way the units were designed and the way they fit the lots, the Circulation Element was changed, and the park facilities were changed. We have tried to work out the type of unit that is being proposed here and the grading plans to the best of our ability. There will be retaining walls constructed on the parcel itself to accommodate the units. The conditions of approval appear more than adequate as far as controlling the improvements that the City is requesting, and drainage, as well as other matters that involve the public utilities. Staff is recommending that there be further review; the Archi- Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 2 -7 -78 Page 6 tectural Review Committee needs to look at the plans, the private patios that are being suggested as part of the development, and the detailed common wall fencing around the perimeter of each property. We are still not satisfied with the land- scaping on an individual basis; we feel that maybe there are some avenues that we can explore with Mr. Kvidt in that area. As far as the slope encroaching onto the greenbelt area, that was controlled on the greenbelt approval that the Commission gave a couple of weeks ago. Ile further stated that, in his opinion, on the major road improvements on Oak Park Boulevard, these were conditioned as part of the first phase of the development. Mr. Castro further advised that the grading plans will be submitted to Mr. Paul Karp, City Engineer, and he will also review the drainage plans proposed by the developer and, after approval, the plans will go directly to the City Council with the final map for final review and acceptance. The architectural plans will go through the normal process of going before the Committee, being conditioned by the Committee, and then confirmed by the Commission as a whole. Commissioner Vandeveer stated that he has been through two Subdivision Review Board sessions on this tract and, in his opinion, it is a good addition and they have done a good job in laying out the tract. Commissioner Ries stated he felt that they did a good job in the overall lay- out, and at the Subdivision Review Board meetings he stated he wasn't happy with the location of the park. It is located on the corner of two busy streets; Oak Park Boulevard and Meadowlark Drive. Also, five or ten years from now you are going to get pressures to develop that other side of the street and you are going to have people crossing that street. He further stated with regard to that curve on Oak Park Boulevard, five or ten years down the road, this whole area is going to continue to grow whether it comes into the .City or not, and we are going to get more cars on that road; Pismo Beach is talking about the other side of that road already, and we are talking about the Christian Academy. He pointed out that traffic coming around that curve into the park area on Oak Park Boulevard is going to be a problem, and he doesn't like it. Commissioner Ries further stated that he can't offer a solution to this problem, but he feels there are people that can offer a better solution. Planning Director Castro commented, in his opinion, he didn't think it really matters whether the park is at this location or the other because it is going to be primarily a neighborhood park facility serving the people of that neighborhood. Commissioner Ries reiterated that he feels the layout of the tract is fine, but he is not happy with the park site and the curve on Oak Park Boulevard. Acting Chairman Harris commented that he is not entirely pleased with the lay- out of the project but he is somewhat perplexed on how to improve it. He stated that he personally doesn't like mowing down the hills and he doesn't like realigning roads; he would prefer to see the roads going around the hills. Lou Caballero, San Luis Engineering, pointed out that the original tract improvement plans were submitted to the City and the street was designed to handle that tract, which this is a part of and, therefore, the alignment of that road is adequate to serve this tract and all of the tracts within the original one. Acting Chairman Harris commented that he was more concerned about having a park on a busy intersection on a busy road, and the pedestrian traffic rather than vehicular traffic. With regard to the park site, Planning Director Castro advised that he and Bob Gallop met on the matter and reviewed the location of that particular site, and that it was an agreement on both parts instead of having massive grading take place in that area. He stated they didn't feel the acreage was adequate enough to really do anything substantial as far as recreation is concerned; and that it was merely a visual passive type facility. Commissioner Vandeveer reiterated his comments that, in his opinion, the tenta- tive tract map•- -has met ..the , requirements ::thathe staff - ..has imposed, and with; the_,con _,.. ditions that have been outlined that staff has provided, he would move that Tentative Tract Map No. 689 be approved. Motion lost for lack of a second. After further discussion, Commissioner Ries moved that Tentative Tract Map No. 689 be denied without prejudice, because of the location of the park being at the corner of the two busiest streets; the circulation, mainly the curve on Oak Park Boulevard; and the project should be more in conformance with the existing topography of the land. Motion lost for lack of a second. 465 466 Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 2 -7 -78 Page 7 Planning Director Castro pointed out that since there has been no action taken, the tentative map stands approved and now goes to the City Council. CONTINUATION OF PUBLIC HEARING - EIR FOR RANCHO GRANDE PROPERTIES AND REZONING CASE NO. 77 -99, FROM "A" AGRICULTURAL DISTRICT TO "P -D" PLANNED DEVELOPMENT DISTRICT. Planning Director Castro stated that staff is recommending that the matter on Rancho Grande be continued over to the next regular meeting of February 21st due tc the fact that the Chairman of the Commission is unable to be here this evening, and also because additional information on the project is not yet completed. Acting Chairman Harris stated he felt we should continue the hearing to allow the people that did come out tonight the opportunity to speak on it. Mr. Landsman, Newman Drive, stated that he is not here to try to stop this project and, essentially, he is not here to argue about growth or no growth, but that he is here as a friend of the School District, and he has spent some time finding accurate and reliable figures about the impact of Rancho Grande and the other develop- ments on the schools. He stated he has two children that go to public schools here and he felt it is to everybody's interest to get a good school system. Mr. Landsman stated he had certain facts included in a report but that he wouldn't be able to give them tonight because the report is to be presented to the School Board at their meet- ing of February 13, 1978. Mr. Landsman gave a presentation on the blackboard with reference to the cost of educating students, the costs of building new schools and the surcharge on new construction proposed by the City. Mr. Landsman further pointed out that if the Planning Commission recommends, and the City Council acts on their recommendation, and were to give the approval for approximately 1,000 homes, allowing for all improvements, etc., we are talking about a ten million dollar profit. He stated if we were to do this without forcing the developer to pay the costs of the impact on the citizens of Arroyo Grande, we will be making a free gift to the developer of ten million dollars, and that surely out of his ten million dollars, the developer can afford to pay the costs that he is incurring and not let them fall on the people who live here. With regard to the prior comment made with reference to the bond issue, Mr. Landsman pointed out that we have a number of people in Arroyo Grande on Social Security, and if they were to vote for a bond issue, they would be voting to shift themselves out of the houses they have lived in for 30 or 40 years. He stated he didn't feel that the burden of the school should fall on the citizens; there is a definite burden here. Mr. Landsman stated he had three suggestions: (1) If this development is put in, it should come in under zoned phases so that they cannot put in any more than we rezone at one time to ease the impact on the City; (2) He stated he didn't think that the development should be so big; he didn't think the Planning Commission should allow 1,000 homes. The original planning is 300 and, in his opinion, somewhere between the original planning, maybe 500 units, but 1,000 is awfully big for a little village of 9,000 people; and (3) Let the new development pay its own costs; don't make the old age pentioners pay for the big out of town developers. In conclusion, Mr. Landsman stated he is not for or against Rancho Grande, but essentially he is trying to protect the school system. If you are going to have growth, let it be good growth, but let it be accompanied by a good school system. Don't wreck the citizens and the school system for somebody's profit. Mr. Mitch Walker, 242 Garden Street, stated he objected to Mr. Landsman's presentation in that he aluded to his private dependable sources. He stated it is obvious who his sources are; he has got a look at a preliminary report by Stuhr, Dodson, Ward and Foster, which is in a draft form now and hasn't even been delivered to the Lucia Mar School District, and won't be until tomorrow, and he has taken these figures and tried to upstage a decision that they are going to make to even accept the report and make a recommendation. He further stated that, in his opinion, he has distorted the numbers to his own advantage here and not told the whole story. Mr. Landsman stated that he has not seen the report. Mr. Steve Liebzeit, 410 Woodland Drive, stated he concurred with Mr. Landsman's figures, and it was his feeling that if the developer wants to put in that many houses, he should at least put in an elementary school. He further stated he didn't think it was right for that marry people to come in here all at one time because we can't handle them. Mr. Paul Haddox, 587 Valley Road, stated we have under consideration four sub- divisions and he felt we should think of all four subdivisions as a whole. 1 1 1 Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 2 -7 -78 ATTEST: L70 r; e, X -5Z1, 244A Secretary Page 8 Acting Chairman Harris advised the audience that the public hearing will be continued at the next regular meeting of February 21, 1978. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business before the Commission, on motion by Commi$sioner Ries, seconded by Commissioner Vandeveer, and unanimously carried, the meeting was adjourned at 10:30 P.M. e/67