PC Minutes 1976-09-21272
Arroyo Grande Planning Commission
September 21, 1976
The Arroyo Grande Planning Commission met in regular session with
Chairman Pope presiding. Present were Commissioners Cole, Gerrish, Hitchen,
Mathews, Moots, and Ries. Also present were City Administrator Butch and
Planning Director Gallop.
MINUTE APPROVAL
Commissioner Gerrish asked about the revision that had been made on
the Request for Negative Declaration on The Pike Annexation No. 1. Director
Gallop stated that it was included in the resolution. There being no additions
or corrections, Chairman Pope approved the minutes as prepared.
CHAIRMAN'S AGRICULTURAL COMMITTEE
Chairman Pope announced hie'appointments to the Agricultural Lands
Committee', which were as follows: Gene Moots and Hugh Pope, representing
the Planning Commission; Tom Runels and Ben Dohi, representing the farmers
who farm small parcels within the City and large parcels outside the City
Limits; Ella Honeycutt and Fred Wolf, members of the Council of Concerned -
Citizens, but serving as individuals; and Karl Hogan, serving as a member -
at -large from the community.
He stated that the meeting dates would be every Monday at 4:00 P.M.,
with the first meeting.date to be September 27. The meetings will be.in
the Council Chambers. He requested that there be•a secretary present to take
the minutes, as well as the Planning Director, the City Engineer, the City
Administrator, and the City Attorney, if possible. He added that he hoped to
have a written recommendation for the Commission by the end of about four meet-
ings: He stated that the Committee members would receive a packet of informa-
tion prior to the first meeting, which would contain all the written corres-
pondence received.from the City Council and the Planning Commission, and necessary
background information..
Fred Wolf asked if it would be possible to receive a letter of his
appointment so that he could present it to his employer in asking for time
off to attend the meetings; Chairman Pope instructed Planning Director Gallop
to do so.
PUBLIC. HEARING.. - ..USE. ,P,ERMIT..CASE. ,NQ....7.6- 249,., ,1524, ,GRAND..AVENUE,,..:TO. ALLOW, FOR
A PERMANENT AUCTION OF FURNITURE AND ANTIQUES IN A "C -N" DISTRICT (GARRISON)
Director Gallop stated that the property is just easterly of the Young
Brothers Market property. The property is currently developed with a series
of structures. He stated the request was originally for a two -day permit,
but upon hearing that he would have to apply for a Use Permit, the petitioner
decided to amend his request to a permanent auction. He noted that two years
ago, there had been a determination by the Planning Commission that auctions
are a permissive use in commercial districts, subject to Use Permit procedure,
and that is why the petitioner was applying for a Use Permit. He also added
that he had no objections to the proposed auction, but felt that a two -day
permit should be granted and then a review of the proceedings prior to any
additional sales so that the Commission could review it for any problems.
J. C. Garrison, the petitioner, stated he had amended his original
request when he found out that he would need a Use Permit to have an auction.
He stated this would not be a junk auction. He has tentatively set the first
two dates for the auction on October 8 and 9, or October 9 and 10. He questioned
the two -day temporary Use Permit, stating he did not feel this would be a long
enough period of time. He noted he had five acres for parking.
Upon being assured by Planning Director Gallop that public hearing for
the proposed Use Permit had been duly published, posted, and property owners
notified, Chairman Pope opened the public hearing.
Fred Wolf, 540 Gaynfair, stated he thought the idea of a review was an
excellent idea; however, he felt that the two -day period was too short. He felt
two or three weeks would be better.
Karl Hogan, 1255 Poplar, stated he felt a six month review period would
be good. He also thought there was adequate area for parking.
Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 9 -21 -76 Page 2
Madeleine Steele, 1598 Hillcrest, asked about the frequency of the
auctions. Mr Garrison stated they would be one or two days at a time.
Mrs. Stinchcomb, 308 Courtland, commented on the traffic problem on
Courtland. She stated she would like the City to do something about stop
signs controlling the traffic there. She stated she would agree with the
auction if something could be done about the traffic and controlling the
parking.
Mrs. Bright, 301 Courtland, stated she was concerned about the park-
ing from the auction, and traffic on Courtland to Grand.
Chairman Pope directed the Secretary to write to the Parking and
Traffic Commission about the traffic problems to see if something could
be done.
Elizabeth Jackson, 208 Fairview, asked about the definition of "per-
manent". Chairman Pope stated that it was never - ending. He added that any
Use Permit is permanent unless it has a specific time limit. He stated
that when the character of the land changed and another building is built,
the petitioner must come in and get another Use Permit. He added that the
permit is issued to the property, not an individual. The Commission had the
option of holding a public hearing to terminate the Use Permit if the condi-
tions were violated.
Director Gallop stated he had two additional conditions he would
recommend with regard to the Use Permit: that the property on the northerly
end be cleaned of debris, and that there be no direct access from this prop-
erty to Courtland.
There being no further discussion for or against the proposed Use
Permit, the Chairman closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Ries stated he was in favor of more than a two -day permit;
he thought 90 days would be better.
Commissioner Moots questioned the petitioner about the type of mer-
chandise that would be involved in the auctions. The Police Chief's memo
had made a statement about serially numbered merchandise. Mr. Garrison
stated that this would refer to appliances, which he did not propose to
auction.
Commissioner Mathews suggested a one -year permit, with a year to
year extension.
Chairman Pope stated he would like to see it granted with the proviso
that total off- street parking be provided during the auction, that all access
to Courtland be denied during the auction, that the northerly end'of the prop-
erty be cleaned of debris, and that the permit be granted with a six month
staff review.
After discussion, the following action was taken:
RESOLUTION NO. 76 -465 U
RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
ARROYO GRANDE GRANTING A USE PERMIT, CASE NO. 76 -249.
On motion by Commissioner Ries, seconded by Commissioner Gerrish, and
by the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Cole, Gerrish, Hitchen, Mathews, Moots, Ries,
and Chairman Pope
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 21st day of September 1976.
273
274
101pA W MNPITVOW
Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 9 -21 -76 Page 3
Mr. Garrison asked who would determine at the end of six months if
the Use Permit would continue. Chairman Pope stated that the City staff
would report to the Commission for their consideration; the petitioner
could also testify if there were any problems.
Fred Strong, Santa Margarita, representing the South County Citizens
for Environmental Balance, asked how the City could hold the petitioner
responsible for customers parking onthe street. Commissioner Ries stated
the intent of his motion was that the petitioner must make every effort to
contain the parking on his property during auction hours.
PUBLIC HEARING, . -, .USE ..PERMIT ..CASE ..NO, ., .76- 250,...1200.. GRAND . ,AVENUE TO, ALLOW
FOR STORAGE, OF RECREATION TRAILERS, BOATS, AND SIMILAR VEHICLES IN A "P -M"
DISTRICT (McCOY)
Director Gallop stated this request is for the property behind the
old Sunset lumber retail sales building. It involved several old lumber
sheds and a flat area which is adjacent; it has direct access to Brisco
Road. He recommended that sidewalks be continued from the existing side-
walk, up Brisco Road in front of the property, and also a solid fence to
screen the business from the residential area adjacent on the west.
Upon being assured by Director Gallop that public hearing for the
proposed Use Permit had been duly published, posted, and property owners
notified, Chairman Pope opened the public hearing.
Mr. McCoy, the petitioner, asked for clarification about the location
of the fence, which Director Gallop provided. Mr. McCoy stated the sidewalk
would be completed before too long. He said the property contained enough
parking area for storage of about 120 pieces.
J. C. Garrison, P. 0. Box 408, Grover City, stated he was in favor of
granting this Use Permit; and that a facility such as this is needed in the
City.
Peggy Langworthy, Printz Road, San Luis Obispo County, asked for clari-
fication of the property in question. Chariman Pope explained that it is
adjacent to the old Sunset sales building, on Brisco Road.
Fred Wolf, 540 Gaynfair, asked about adequate off - street parking for
the adjacent business. Chairman Pope explained that all the stored vehicles
would be within a fenced area, and would not eliminate any of the parking for
the adjacent business.
There being no further discussion for or against the proposed Use
Permit, Chairman Pope declared the public hearing closed.
Commissioner Gerrish asked what the petitioner meant by "similar
vehicles ". Mr. McCoy explained that he meant dune buggies, motor homes,
camper shells, etc. Commissioner Gerrish asked about the hours of operation.
Mr. McCoy replied that they would be from 8:30 a.m. to about 6:00 p.m. There
would be flood lights at night.
Director Gallop stated that in view of the flood lights, he would also
recommend a condition that the flood lights be oriented onto the property and
not onto abutting properties or public rights of way.
After discussion, the following action was taken:
RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
ARROYO GRANDE GRANTING A USE PERMIT, CASE NO. 76 -250.
On motion by Commissioner Gerrish, seconded by Commissioner Moots, and
by the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Cole, Gerrish, Hitchen, Mathews, Moots, Ries,
and Chairman Pope
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION NO. 76 -466 U
Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 9 -21 -76 Page 4
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 21st day of September 1976.
Mr. McCoy asked if all conditions must be . met before he can open his
business. Director Gallop stated that the Use Permit is not in effect until
ten days after its approval. During that ten day period, the petitioner
can start advertising, and if the contractor has not completed the work, the
City will, under certain conditions, accept a written contract between he and
his contractor as a sign of good faith.
.
NOISE ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN
Director Gallop stated that the State had mandated that every govern-
mental jurisdiction adopt as part of their General Plan the Safety and Noise
Elements. Because of the nature of these two considerations, the six cities
and the County of San Luis Obispo entered into a contract for these elements.
He added that Joe Johns, president of Envicom, the contracting consultant,
was present to speak about the two elements.
Mr. Johns reviewed in detail the various sections of the Noise Element,
stating that in terms of Arroyo Grande, there were only two conflicts: ^E1
Camino and Dower Wayside Parks. However, they are conflict areas strictly
from noise from Highway 101.
Upon being assured by Director Gallop that public hearing on the pro-
posed Noise Element had been duly published and posted, the Chairman opened
the public hearing.
Ella Honeycutt, 560 Oak Hill Road, expressed concern about the noise
on Huasna Road from traffic to the lake, and potential traffic when Strother
Park is developed. She suggested a sign in town saying when the lake is
full. Chairman Pope stated that there was a sign at one time, but that it
had not proved effective. Mrs. Honeycutt also asked if these Elements must
be completed to receive federal funding. Director Gallop stated that this
was not true at this time.
Peggy Langworthy, Printz Road, San Luis Obispo County, asked if the
Noise Element was adopted, would there be a section which would then require
future development along the freeway to be provided with noise abatement.
Mr. Johns stated that this is just a background document that points up the
problems. The next step would be to make a noise ordinance which would be
law.
Don Curzon, 133 East Branch, asked about the decibel rating in the
Central Business District.
There being no further discussion for or against the proposed Noise
Element, Chairman Pope closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Gerrish asked about Policy 5.1, which says to develop
an information release program. Mr. Johns stated that the primary document
for that is the Noise Element itself. The Element and the maps should be
available to the public.
After discussion, the following action was taken:
RESOLUTION NO. 76 -467 G
RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
ARROYO GRANDE ADOPTING THE NOISE ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL
PLAN.
On motion by Commissioner Cole, seconded by Commissioner Mathews, and
by the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Cole, Gerrish, Mathews, Moots, Ries, and
Chairman Pope
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINING: Commissioner Hitchen
275
276
Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 9 -21 -76 Page 5
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 21st day of September 1976.
PUBLIC HEARING - SAFETY ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN
Joe Johns, president of Envicom, stated that the Safety Element
covers three primary hazards: geologic and earthquake; flooding; wildland.
One -third of the document has already been reported on and adopted in the
Seismic Element. He reviewed the Natural Hazards Map for the Commission
and the audience. He then reviewed in detail all the pertinent sections
of the Element.
Director Gallop stated that with reference to the requested changes
from P. G. & E., the matter had been presented to the Area Planning Council
Coordinator and the other cities; and if they are generally in agreement,
he would have no objections to the requested changes. He felt that similarity
of action was more important than specific wording. Mr. Johns agreed with this
recommendation, noting Envicom also recommended including Southern California
Gas Company. Director Gallop then reviewed the recommended staff revisions to
the Safety Element of the General Plan. Mr. Johns stated he agreed with the
staff recommendations, which should be included as an addendum.
Upon being assured by the Planning Director that public hearing on the
proposed Safety Element had been duly published, Chairman Pope opened the
public hearing.
Fred Wolf, 540 Gaynfair, asked about Diablo Canyon and its inclusion
in the Element.
Ella Honeycutt, 560 Oak Hill Road, expressed concern over the water
supply if an earthquake should occur. She also suggested that the sewer pipe
that is above ground on Huasna Road be red - flagged in case of a flood. She
asked about the Huasna Fault. Mr. Johns stated that Envicom was familiar
with this situation and would resolve it in about 1k months, through an on-
site investigation now underway. Their determination will be available to
the U. S. Geologic Survey and the California Division of Lands and Geology.
Peggy Langworthy, Printz Road, San Luis Obispo County, asked about the
section dealing with one- hundred year flood protections, lack thereof. Mr
Johns stated this was covered in the Technical Report. Mrs. Langworthy also
asked about the flood problems on undeveloped lands. Mr. Johns stated that
the hazards shown on a set of policies call for regulation of land use in
areas of significant hazards. He pointed out the flood hazard areas on the
map, noting that this was not an inflexible document and could be amended if
more information were forthcoming.
Elizabeth Jackson, 208 Fairview, asked if the City couldn't state it
was a dangerous place to build directly in the path of Lopez Dam. Mr. Johns
stated that Section 3.1 speaks to this in terms of prohibiting critical
facilities in the 100 year flood plain area and in potential dam inundation
areas. However, he stressed that he was not saying that Lopez Dam was not
safe. What they were saying was that the dam should be inspected, using the
Seismic Element requirements as criteria.
Bill Langworthy, Printz Road, San Luis Obispo County, stated he was not
sure that the 100 year flood was a valid figure to use. He felt that any
erring should be on the cautious side. Mr. Johns stated that Section 7.1
deals specifically with updating the Element every five years.
There being no further discussion for or against the proposed Safety
Element, Chairman Pope closed the public hearing.
Commissioner Gerrish asked if untreated shake roofs are allowed;
Director Gallop stated that the City is all Fire Zone 3, which allows these.
Director Gallop stated that if there is anything in the final County
document which would affect the City, he would recommend to the Commission
thatithey consider amending the Element to reflect these changes.
After a lengthy discussion, the following action was taken:
Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 9 -21 -76 Page 6
RESOLUTION NO. 76 -468 G
RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF
ARROYO GRANDE ADOPTING THE SAFETY ELEMENT OF THE
GENERAL PLAN.
On motion by Commissioner Gerrish, seconded by Commissioner Mathews,
and by the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Cole, Gerrish, Mathews, Moots, Ries, and
Chairman Pope
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
ABSTAINING: Commissioner Hitchen
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 21st day of September 1976.
OFF - STREET PARKING REQUIREMENTS IN HIGH DENSITY ZONES
Director Gallop stated that the Parking and Traffic Commission feels
that there may be a potential problem with off- street parking in areas of
the City. He suggested placing these with other potential zoning change
recommendations for study at a later date. After discussion, the Commission
agreed to discussing this item at a °later date.
NORTH HALCYON PLAN LINE
Director Gallop stated that the Commission, at its meeting of May 18,
had recommended to the City Council and the Parking and Traffic Commission
that the. North Halcyon Plan Line be abandoned. The Parking and Traffic Com-
mission did a survey of all property owners involved, and they received al-
most unanimous approval of the abandonment.
On motion by Commissioner Gerrish, seconded by Commissioner Moots,
and unanimously carried, to accept the recommendation of the Parking and
Traffic Commission to abandon the North Halcyon Plan Line.
ORAL,.. COMMUNICATIONS ,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Use- Permit° asi ''No. 76 245 Commissioner Moots asked if Mr. Larey
had put all his materials under cover, as was required under his Use Permit.
Director Gallop stated that he had.
Public Hearing Notices - Fred Wolf, 540 Gaynfair, asked that all
public hearing notices regarding written documents contain information about
where copies of the documents are available for the public's information.
Director Gallop stated that State laws require that they are placed in public
places: the City Clerk's Office, Library, County Office, etc. These documents
are always available to the public. Chairman Pope stated he thought this
matter should be referred to the City Administrator before more money is
spent in advertising.
Use Permit Case No. 76 -249 - Fred Wolf, 540 Gaynfair, stated he
believed that the City had taken away his personalprivi'leges in telling him
where he must park if he were to attend this auction. Director Gallop stated
it was the Commission's intent to encourage Mr. Garrison to provide all off -
street parking possible and to encourage his customers to use it. However,
as long as there is adequate parking on the street, there is no way the City
can prohibit customers from using it. He is required to provide off- street
parking; but the City can't force him to use it.
WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE
Land Use Element Amendments - Director Gallop noted that the Commis-
sion had received an analysis of'the'Commission's recommendations on areas
of the General Plan. He suggested that the Commission proceed with all items
but that of the agricultural lands. He felt that should wait until the Agri-
cultural Committee comes up with.suggestions. He noted that these recommenda-
tions were just minor terminology changes that the. has -regiested "the --
2.77
278
Arroyo Grande ,Planning Commission, 9 -21 -76 Page 7
Commission to consider; these would comprise the second of the three
General Plan change options for this year.
Fred Wolf, 540 Gavrfair, stated he was in favor of all..of the
proposed changes; however, he felt they should be considered. the
next meeting,-not under Written Correspondence.
Chairman Pope instructed the Secretary to p1ace.this mn the
agenda' for- the next regular Commission meeting..
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business, on a motion by Commis ioner Moots,
seconded by Commissioner Gerrish, and unanimously carried, t'e Commiss
adjourned at 10:03 P.M. /1.11°‘
�
ATTEST: ... .7� / / „�
Secretary - : "' '""
1