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PC Minutes 1976-06-01244 Arroyo Grande Planning Commission June 1, 1976 The Arroyo Grande Planning Commission met in regular session with Vice Chairman Moots presiding. Present were Commissioners Cole, Gerrish, Mathews, Pope, and Ries; there is one vacancy existing on the Commission. Also present were Planning Director Gallop, City Administrator Butch, and Councilman Spierling. MINUTE APPROVAL The minutes of the joint meeting of May 17 and the regular meeting of May 18, 1976 were approved by the Vice Chairman after hearing no additions or corrections. REVIEW COMMITTEE ACTIONS: LOT SPLIT CASE NOS, 76 -246, 76 -247; ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW CASE NOS. 76-118, 76 -120, 76 -121. Director Gallop reviewed each of the Committee Actions for the Commission. He noted that Architectural Review Case No. 76 -120, for a condominium on South Halcyon, had been tabled for additional information. After discussion, Vice Chairman Moots ordered the reports filed. REQUEST FOR USE OF "OPTIONAL DESIGN STANDARDS" FOR TENTATIVE TRACT NO. 599 (MILLER) Director Gallop noted that the request for use of "Optional Design Standards" is for the second unit of Loomis Heights, which will be located behind Loomis Heights, and which will consist of approximately 12.75 acres. The use of "Optional Design Standards" would allow the developer to vary the size of the lots so long as the density requirements of the zone are met. The Commission had been given a request for Negative Declaration status which should be considered along with the request for "Optional Design ". William Langworthy, Printz Road, asked if this was the same development as Loomis Heights. The Planning Director explained it is a second unit. Ella Honeycutt, 560 Oak Hill Road, asked if this development would have the same condition from the Soil Conservation Office that the first unit had had. Director Gallop stated that the map would probably be considered at the next regular meeting and that she could request at that time that the original letter from the Soil Conservation Office also be applied to this tract map. On motion by Commissioner Mathews, seconded by Commissioner Gerrish, and unanimously carried, the Commission found the requested "Optional Design Standards" to be in conformance with the General Plan and the existing zoning of the property. After further discussion, the following action was taken: RESOLUTION NO. 76 -446 EIR RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE ACCEPTING NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL DECLARATION. On motion by Commissioner Mathews, seconded by Commissioner Cole, and by the following roll call vote, to wit: AYES: Commissioners Cole, Gerrish, Mathews, Pope, Ries, and Vice Chairman Moots NOES: None ABSENT: None the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 1st day of June 1976. RESOLUTION NO. 76 -447 O.D. RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE GRANTING "OPTIONAL DESIGN AND IMPROVEMENT STANDARDS" TO TRACT 599. On motion by Commissioner Ries, seconded by Commissioner Mathews, and by the following roll call vote, to wit: AYES: Commissioners Cole, Gerrish, Mathews, Pope, Ries, and Vice Chairman Moots NOES: None ABSENT: None the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 1st day of June 1976. Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 6 -1 -76 Page 2 SUBDIVISION REVIEW BOARD RECOMMENDATIONS - TENTATIVE TRACT MAP NO. 598 (FILER ET AL) COMMISSIONER RIES EXCUSED HIMSELF DUE TO A POSSIBLE CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND IS NOW ABSENT. Director Gallop noted that this is the first condominium planned for Arroyo Grande. The property is adjacent to the Arroyo Grande Hospital, on South Halcyon, The Tentative Map is a one -lot map consisting of 21 parcels, which includes one common area. The property is sold by description of any one of the dwelling units and 1/20 of the common area, all open spaces, and two parking spaces. A Tentative Map is required because the units are sold individually. He added that the Map does meet the requirements of the Zoning Ordinance and conforms to the Land Use Plan. The Planning Director reviewed all conditions placed on the Map by the Subdivision Review Board. He noted that the Commission had the option of granting a 12 ft. front yard setback rather than the normal 15 ft., pri- marily because there is adequate sight distance from either direction. The Commission put aside a decision until after the public hearing on the attendant Use Permit request, which follows. PUBLIC HEARING - USE PERMIT CASE NO. 76 -243, 21 LOT CONDOMINIUM, 327 SOUTH HALCYON (FILER ET AL) Upon being assured by Director Gallop that public hearing for the proposed Use Permit had been duly published, posted - , and property owners notified, Vice Chairman Moots declared the public hearing open. Jack Ghormley, 1197 Highland, Grover City, engineer for the developer, stated he would be happy to answer any questions the Commission or audience might have. Fred Wolf, 540 Gaynfair, stated he believed this was a good location for a condominium and that the developer would put together a good-looking building. Bill Langworthy, Printz Road, asked how much land is involved. Direc- tor Gallop replied that the lot is 155 ft. x 253.5 ft. He added that in the "P -C" District, the number of units'is based on percentage of coverage, not any set number of units. The proposed condominium had 67% coverage; the District allowed 70 %. There being no further comment for or against the proposed Use Permit, Vice Chairman Moots declared the public hearing closed. On motion by Commissioner Mathews, seconded by Commissioner Gerrish, and unanimously carried, the Commission found the proposed use and subdivision map to be in conformance with the Land Use Plan and the Zoning Ordinance. After a brief discussion, the following actions were taken: RESOLUTION NO. 76 -448 EIR RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE ACCEPTING NEGATIVE ENVIRONMENTAL DECLARATION. On motion by Commissioner Cole, seconded by Commissioner Mathews, and by the following roll call vote, to wit: AYES: Commissioners Cole, Gerrish, Mathews, Pope, and Vice Chairman Moots NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner Ries the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 1st day of June 1976. 246 Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 6 -1 -76 Page 3 RESOLUTION NO. 76-449 RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE APPROVING TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION MAP FOR TRACT NO. 598, A CONDOMINIUM, AND REFERRAL TO THE CITY COUNCIL FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY. On motion by Commissioner Cole, seconded by Commissioner Mathews, and by the following roll call vote, to wit: AYES: Commissioners Cole, Gerrish, Mathews, Pope, and Vice Chairman Moots NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner Ries the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 1st day of June 1976. RESOLUTION NO. 76 -450 U RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE GRANTING A USE PERMIT, CASE NO. 76 -243. On motion by Commissioner Gerrish, seconded by Commissioner Mathews, and by the following roll call vote, to wit: AYES: Commissioners Cole, Gerrish, Mathews, Pope, and Vice Chairman Moots NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner Ries the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 1st day of June 1976. COMMISSIONER RIES IS NOW PRESENT. PUBLIC HEARING - LAND USE ELEMENT OF THE GENERAL PLAN Director Gallop noted that this Public Hearing would be the second of the three changes that the City can make to the Land Use Plan in one year. He added that the City Council, at their last regular meeting, had changed the land use designation on the Lawler property from light industrial to light residential. The Director then reviewed each of the recommended changes from the City Council, as well as some recommendations he had. Upon being assured by the Planning Director that public hearing for proposed changes to the Land Use Element of the General Plan had been duly published, Vice Chairman Moots ordered the public hearing open. Lawler Matter - Andy Johnson, 1279 Poplar, stated he believed the Land Use Plan should remain in conformity with the way the land is presently zoned. Elsie Laycock, 110 Longview, Pismo Beach, asked for clarification of what light residential meant. The Planning Director explained that it included zoning from "R- A -B -3" through "R -1 ", which would be lots from 40,000 sq. ft. to 6,000 sq. ft. Miss Laycock pointed out that part of the property was not suitable for "R- A -B -3" because the parcels were not large enough. Ella Honeycutt, 560 Oak Hill Road, asked to Commission not to feel that they had to change the Land Use Plan simply because the City could be sued. She asked that they make a decision for the good of the City, not for the good of an individual. Commissioner Mathews stated he did not believe "R-A -B -3" zoning was the right use for this property. Commissioner Gerrish said he believed that light industrial was the best land use for the area. On motion by Commissioner Gerrish, seconded by Commissioner Ries, and unanimously carried, the Commission decided to get all the public input on all of the Land Use Plan matters before making any decisions about changes. Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 6- 1- 76,<.., = Page 4 Reference to Planned Development - Director Gallop stated that he had prepared a recommendation for wording on the "P -D" section, which he hoped would be a complete clarification of the procedure in "P -D" zoning on large tracts of land and where the City would have full controls. Madeleine Steele, 1598 Hillcrest, asked for clarification of what the recommendation was. The Planning Director reviewed the recommendation for the audience's benefit, Vice chairman Moots clarified his recommendation from the joint meeting of May 17; he stated he was referring to dwelling unit density; not people density. William Langworthy, Printz Road, stated that when you apply this concept to large tracts of land, you are forced to make decisions about the use of each parcel in such a preliminary form that it becomes very difficult, in spite of all the carefully worded language, to have a real control over what actually happens. He felt that the "P -D" language in the original version of the Land Use Plan was better. He felt the new version invites this kind of considera- tion when the City should be doing advance planning themselves on this land. He agreed with Vice Chairman Moots, specifically insofar as his understanding of CC &Rs. Director Gallop stated that CC &Rs are a legal tool which have been used for many years very successfully. Commissioner Mathews stated he felt the zoning was the place for re- strictions on density. Andy Johnson, 1279 Poplar, expressed concern over the City losing controls to the courts. Vice'Chairman Moots stated he would agree t`o`'saying "people" density, rather than dwelling unit density. Director Gallop suggested saying "...poten- tial number of persons occupying the development." on line 3 of the last para- graph. Vice Chairman Moots agreed this would acceptable. Commissioner Gerrish stated he would like to have the last sentence of the first paragraph on the second page changed to stop at the word "indicated ", as well as de- leting the second paragraph of the same page. holes. Ella Honeycutt, 560 Oak Hill Road, warned against leaving legal loop- School Section - The Commission reviewed suggested changes made by the City Council and a suggested rewrite from Fred Wolf. Mr. Wolf, 540 Gaynfair, urged the Commission to favorably consider Mr. Spierling's recom- mended change. He added that he and other interested persons were working in other areas of the Lucia Mar School District to get those areas to recog- nize the school problem and to do something about the problems. Commissioner Ries stated he believed the statement should say "... further citizens, planners, and all other governing bodies..." Councilman Spierling replied that he had intended "all entities" to cover this. On motion by Commissioner Pope, seconded by Commissioner Mathews, and unanimously carried, the Commission approved the suggested change made by Councilman Spierling. Light Industrial Zoning Between St. Patrick's Parochial School and the Seventh Day Adventist School - Fred Wolf, 540 Gaynfair, stated he was in favor, as a whole, of the City Council's recommended changes to the Land Use Plan. Andy Johnson, 1279 Poplar, stated he was in opposition to light industrial land use on this particular piece of property because of its proximity to schools. Marie Cattoir, 195 Orcutt Way, stated she was in opposition to light industrial land use on this property for the same reasons as Mr. Johnson. Industrial Zoning on Saruwatari Property - Andy Johnson, 1279 Poplar, stated he was against industrial land use on the Saruwatari property. Greenwood - VICE CHAIRMAN MOOTS AND COMMISSIONER MATHEWS EXCUSED THEM - DUE TO A POSSIBLE CONFLICT OF INTEREST AND ARE NOW ABSENT. COMMISSIONER RIES WAS APPOINTED AS ACTING CHAIRMAN. Bill McCann, 428 Tanner Lane, and Roger Smith, 129 South Alpine, both spoke for the suggested change to agricultural land use; both felt that this is prime agricultural land. Commissioner Gerrish pointed out that agricul- tural land use designation doesn't prevent anyone from developing 12 acre home sites. Ella Honecutt, 560 Oak Hill Road, stated that the Land Use Plan and the Zoning Ordinance were not in conformance. The Land Use Plan allows 1 unit per 5 acres; the Zoning Ordinance allows 1 unit per 12 acres. 24'7 248 Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 6 -1 -76 Page 5 Elizabeth Jackson, 208 Fairview, suggested using whether or not the land is producing to determine if it is prime agricultural land. COMMISSIONER MATHEWS AND VICE CHAIRMAN MOOTS ARE NOW PRESENT. Northwest of Fair Oaks and Halcyon Intersection - Fred Wolf, 540 Gaynfair, spoke in favor of changing this to office - professional on the Land Use Map. Flower Fields, Huasna Road - Fred Wolf, 540 Gaynfair, spoke in favor of changing this to medium; he felt that, although he would prefer light density, this was a good compromise. William Langworthy, Printz Road, and Bill McCann, 428 Tanner Lane, disagreed; they felt it should be changed to agricultural to protect the farm land. Old Sunset Building - Upon the Commission's request, the Planning Director stated he would attempt to meet with the property owner prior to the next meeting to see if he would like to see the land use on his property changed to light industrial. Councilman Spierling's Recommendation on Class I and II Soils - Director Gallop noted that one of the problems staff has been facing is the lack of policy statements for them to use in talking to property owners and developers. Fred Wolf, 540 Gaynfair, spoke in favor; however, he would like to have both Class I and II excluded from development. Ella Honeycutt, 560 Oak Hill Road, and Bill McCann, 428 Tanner Lane, spoke against granting density transfers on agricultural lands. Mrs. Honeycutt asked if the City could be sued because a person with just Class I land is being discriminated against. Madeleine Steele, 1598 Hillcrest, also expressed concern over density transfers on agricultural lands. Councilman Spierling explained his reasoning for not excluding both Class I and II soils from development. He felt that if the City became too restrictive, it may place itself in a position whereby it is faced with a law suit. He felt that in order to save the prime soils, some of the lesser class soils should support development on others. Roger Smith, 129 South Alpine, felt that a developer who owned land which contained both Class I and II soils would try to develop the whole thing. William Langworthy, Printz Road, was concerned over the deletion of Class II soils from the por- tion pertaining to exclusion from development, and also over allowing density transfer from the Class I soils. Director Gallop suggested recommending that the City Council adopt this as a policy statement by resolution outside of the General Plan; as a policy statement, it can be changed without affecting the General Plan, but has the same weight. On motion by Commissioner Ries, seconded by Com- missioner Mathews, and carried, the Commission recommended to the City Council that Councilman Spierling's recommendation regarding the Class I and II soils be adopted as a policy statement. Vice Chairman Moots voted no because he believed the Class II soils should also be excluded from development. Industrial Land Use Areas - Director Gallop noted that with the changes the Commission is considering, two major potential industrial areas have been removed. He felt the Commission should consider replacing these areas. Density of AR Zoning - The Planning Director stated that the Land Use Plan and Zoning Ordinance had always been in conflict over the density allowed on agriculturally zoned lands. He felt the Commission should consider changing one so that they will conform. William Langworthy, Printz Road, and Fred Wolf, 540 Gaynfair, and Roger Smith, 129 South Alpine, spoke in favor of the lower density so that ag lands can be saved. Ella Honeycutt, 560 Oak Hill Road, stated that the City should preserve prime agricultural lands. She suggested :us,ing subzoning. Al Browne, 327 Corona del Terra, questioned preventing development on ag lands which are on the hillsides. William Langworthy, Prntz Road, stated it was his understanding that the hill land currently zoned "A" Agriculture is designated as low density use on the Land Use Map, which would allow eventual development. However, he felt that the prime ag land should be .2 units per acre. Fred Wolf, 540 Gaynfair, suggested not using the same symbol to represent both a holding zone and Agricultural zoning, to avoid confusion. Carolyn Moffatt, Noyes Road, suggested having 2 -3 other classes between low density and agricultural. The Planning Director stated it would be almost impossible to administer this fine a determination. Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 6-1-76 Page 6 There being no further discussion concerning proposed changes to the Land Use Element of the General Plan, Vice Chairman Moots declared the Public Hearing closed. 249 On motion by Commissioner Pope, seconded by Commissioner Mathews, and unanimously carried, that the public hearing remained closed, a draft of all comments and agreements made be prepared and at the next meeting they will be considered for adoption. PUBLIC HEARING (CONTINUATION) - REZONING CASE NO. 75 -84, OAK PARK ACRES (KVIDT) The Planning Director stated that a written development plan had been distributed prior to the meeting. The Commission had previously approved an Environmental Impact Report for this proposed rezoning and development. The development plan had some revisions from the original one in answer to input from the Public Hearing and the E.I.R., as well as staff recommendations. Reuben Kvidt, general partner in the development, stated that his partnership consisted of friends and neighbors from a Lutheran church in Tustin, California. Mr. Kvidt then reviewed in detail the development plan and differences between the new one and the original. He noted that the development plan calls for minimizing grading to home sites only; the lots would not be fully graded. Carolyn Moffatt, Noyes Road, expressed concern . over grading around the oak trees; Mr. Kvidt stated this should be no problem as they would be doing minimum grading and they did wish to save all the trees they could. Vice Chairman Moots asked about what they planned for the commercial areas and how they planned to grade it. Mr. Kvidt replied that they had no grading plan yet; this would be up to whoever,: developed this portion. Direc- tor Gallop added this was the purpose of the development plan; this would have to be prepared and approved by the Commission prior to any, development of this area. Doris Olsen, representing the Santa Maria Times, asked how many people this would generate. Mr. Kvidt stated it would be 848, or just under 3 persons an acre. Elizabeth Jackson, 208 Fairview, asked about the time element in developing. Mr. Kvidt stated it would probably take 4 -5 years. His organization planned to develop parcel 5 themselves, hopefully parcel 8, and possibly one or two of the frontage road parcels. Vice Chairman Moots questioned whether or not 848 persons could support this much commercial. Mr. Kvidt replied that "H -S" Highway Service is designed for attracting business from persons on the freeway, not from just the people in the surrounding development. Ella Honeycutt, 560 Oak Hill Road, asked if the developers will pay for additional City personnel and equipment necessary for this development Mr. Kvidt replied that they were already paying with every tax bill.. Mrs. Honeycutt also expressed concern over too rapid a development. Mr. Kvidt stated that every parcel must come in with a separate subdivision map; he could not envision the area developing before 4 -5 years. Bart Stryker, engineer and planner for the development, reviewed some of the engineering aspects of the proposed development. He stated that basically the drainage aspects are to use a lake as a retarding basin to take care of the restricted flow caused by the culvert at the freeway. They also planned for some type of culvert under James Way. As far as the road concept, they planned to mini- mize cut and fills. Carolyn Moffatt, Noyes Road, expressed concern over the means of getting the water under James Way. She suggested using a bridge. Roger Smith, 129 South Alpine, asked for clarification of how the developers planned to proceed. Madeleine Steele, 1598 Hillcrest, asked about the floating bog. Peggy Langworthy, Printz Road, asked who will maintain James Way when it is completed; Director Gallop replied that the City does. He added that any•engineer- ing proposed by the developers must be approved first by the City, and secondly the flows must be accepted by the Department of Transportation. The engineering of any of the work on Oak Park, Frontage Way, drainage of entire Project, etc. must be approved by the City and developed accordingly. All costs of the development will be borne by the developers. Dave Carter, Printz, asked how James Way will be developed. Bart Stryker replied that probably it will develop as the parcels do. Director Gallop added that the City will require adequate road to be to take care of any traffic Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 6 -1 -76 Page 7 generated. However, James Way may deadend at Mr. Browne's property until such a time as it develops. He added that the development plan omitted the additional right of way that will be required on Oak Park Boulevard and probably on the frontage road; therefore, the 4.4 acres shown for roads will be increased. Madeleine Steele asked about the narrow bridges on Oak Park Boulevard and Noyes Road. Director Gallop replied that all improvements on all right of ways must be paid for by the developer. Bruce Dodson, a professional planner from SDW and Associates, representing the County of San Luis Obispo, reviewed a County proposal to put a county citizen center on the property being considered at this public hearing. They were proposing putting the center on 25 acres, and also obtaining 31 acres to maintain as greenbelt. Carolyn Moffatt spoke in favor of the proposal. William Langworthy, Printz Road, stated he was uncertain as to what impact the County proposal would have. He still felt the amount of commercial was too large. He would like to see the "H -S" and /or commercial areas reduced. He was also resistent to apartment buildings. He did not like the lake because in order to be effective when it rained, it would have to be empty to begin with. He also was opposed to septic tanks. He expressed concern over the lack of mention of water because the City can't deliver water higher than 200 ft. He added he would like to see the open space permanently dedicated as open space, rather than put in Ag Preserve. He asked that the Commission give serious thought to what is wanted for this area before approving any development. He also asked that the public hearing not be closed so that he could have additional input at the next meeting if he wished, in answer to the staff report. He added that he didn't oppose this in total, but opposed the present plan because too many apartments and too much commercial. Reuben Kvidt stated that the lake is designed to be a holding basin to control water runoff. However, the whole general area will be a holding basin, not just the lake. He felt that the density was extremely low, 3 persons per acre. He stated that economics did not permit lower density development because of the extension of sewer and water lines. With regard to the septic tanks, the Development Plan states that they must be examined and approved by the Health Department to be perfectly safe and operational. He stated that a pump station would be required for water above 200 ft; however, this was an engineering problem and the cost would be borne by the developer. He added that this was one reason development would not be very rapid. If septic tanks were not feasible, they planned on asking for a higher density to cover the cost of extending the sewer lines. He also pointed out the development has 35% open space. With regard to the commercial, he did not feel it was too extreme when you consider that a typical motel requires 5 acres. If the County took the three parcels they were considering, this would leave only 7 acres of "H -S" and 5.7 acres of "C -N ". Madeleine Steele asked if 800 persons could support a "C -N" development. Mr. Kvidt replied that this was not a full - fledged "C -N" district. They normally comprise 10 -12 acres; this one is only 5.7 acres. Ella Honeycutt asked if reports could be furnished from the Fire Department and Police Department for extra costs. Director Gallop stated that these were already in the E.I.R. Both stated this development would not in it- self create a need. He added that the minutes of the meeting as well as a staff report based on the input tonight, the E.I.R., and any engineering consideration proposed by the City will be prepared prior to the next Commission meeting. There being no further discussion for or against the proposed rezoning, Vice Chairman Moots declared the public hearing closed. The Vice Chairman carried over discussion until the next Commission meeting so that they can fully review all the materials and input. ORAL COMMUNICATIONS Park Fees - Vice Chairman Moots recommended that the ordinance section in the Subdivision Ordinance pertaining to parks be removed and a separate ordinance be enacted to base park fees on new building permits, irrespective of the zoning. Director Gallop stated that at the present time the City has a provision in the Subdivision Ordinance which bases park monies and dedications on the concept of land assessments, land valuations. This is no longer an equitable method because land valuations fluctuate considerably throughout the City. However, if this was done, the subdivisions which had alr.endy paid would be 1 1 Arroyo Grande Planning Commission, 6 -1 -76 Page 8 exempt. This would accumulate more money. On subdivisions over 50 units, the City would still have the right to require land rather than monies. Would suggest $100 /house and $75 /apartment unit, be considered. Also, the money collected would have to be spent in the same park neighborhood in which it was collected. Upon request of the Vice Chairman, the Planning Director stated he would prepare an ordinance and set up public hearing on the matter for the first meeting in July. Request to be Absent From Meeting - Vice Chairman Moots requested permission to be absent from the next regular Planning Coumiission meeting on June 15. On motion by Commissioner Gerrish, seconded by Commissioner Mathews, and unanimously carried, the Commission granted permission for his absence. Director Gallop noted that the Commission would have to elect a temporary Chairman at the beginning of the next meeting. Study Session Request - Commissioner Gerrish requested a study session on the Comparative Cost Analysis to be held within the next three meetings. WRITTEN CORRESPONDENCE Director Gallop noted that the Commission had received a letter of re- signation from Commissioner Sandoval, who was resigning because of a promotion which would take him out of town frequently. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business, on motion by Commissioner Ries, seconded by Commissioner Gerrish, and unanimously carried, the Commission adjourned at 00:12 a.m. ATTEST: , XIAJA-1A-c olp4=>6. Secretary Vice Chairman 25