PC Minutes 1976-05-17240
Arroyo Grande City Council /Planning Commission Joint Meeting
May 17th, 1976
The joint meeting of the Arroyo Grande City Council and Planning
Commission was called to order by Vice Chairman Moots. Present were
Commissioners Cole, Gerrish and Ries. Commissioners Pope, Sandoval and
Mathews were absent. Councilmen Millis, Schlegel, Spierling, and
Mayor de Leon were present. Councilman Gallagher was absent. Also present
were City Administrator Butch, Planning Director Gallop, Public Works
Director Anderson, and City Engineer Garcia.
REZONING CASE NO. 75 -83, (RANCHO LA BARRANCA)
Director Gallop stated that this item was on the agenda at the
request of the City Council. There had been some question as to whether
or not the Lovett property on James Way, which was originally in the
rezoning request, had been dropped. He stated that from what he could
find in the minutes, etc. it had not. He also had received letters from
both Mr. Lovett and Mr. Garing stating they had never withdrawn this
property from the requested rezoning. The property consists of a
1260 ft. frontage, which could yield a maximum of 13 lots.
COMMISSIONER POPE ENTERED THE MEETING AND IS NOW PRESENT.
Councilman Millis stated he had no objection to including this
property; but when they had considered the rezoning, he thought they
were only considering Rancho La Barranca. He felt that from now on
when the City Council had a second reading, they should see the ordinance
in writing before voting. He also felt that when a Commissioner is present
at a Council meeting and hears an error in a Commission recommendation,
he should point it out, and vice versa.
COUNCILMAN GALLAGHER ENTERED THE MEETING DURING THE ABOVE DISCUSSION
AND IS NOW PRESENT.
Administrator Butch stated that the Council had already had the
second reading of the original rezoning request and the first reading
on a second ordinance which withdraws the Lovett property. This item
would be on the Council agenda for May 25 for action.
Lee Lovett, owner of the property in question, stated he had never
withdrawn the property and that he had been present at several of the
meetings, stating he owned the property and that he was requesting the
rezoning.
LAND USE PLAN,
Director Gallop reviewed a packet of information which included
recommendations from the public about changes to the Land Use Plan, a
memo from Mr. Butch regarding Council recommendations for changes, a
memo from himself to the Planning Commission regarding the Council
recommendations, and a recommendation for rewriting the "P -D" section of
the Land Use Plan.
Vice Chairman Moots stated he felt the zoning should be very
precise on a "P -D" plan when it comes in. Commissioner Cole stated
she felt that there should be some right of appeal. Councilman
Gallagher stated he was concerned about the standards in a Planned
Development, such as open space. He said he felt open space was "people
space"; he felt buildings should be bunched up to leave more space for
people. Director Gallop stated that in a large development of land, par-
cels would be required to be set aside for open space; these could never
be developed for residential use or commercial use. This might mean
permanent pasture, a golf course, a park, etc.; but no permanent buildings
unless for public use. If the demand for open space was substantial, he
felt the owner was entitled to density transfer. He stated that "people
space" is a smaller area adjacent to living quarters; a percentage on a
lot not allowed to be covered by walks, driveways, etc. The idea of the
open space concept, as set up in the "R -G" District in 1969, was designed
for separation of buildings, sunlight, etc., and to preserve a certain
amount of privacy. The developer has the option of putting all the
apartments into one building and putting the rest into some type of
recreation use.
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Councilman Millis stated hi s'concerns %faith Planned Development is
the part that says any mix of the permissive uses will be allowed.
Director Gallop stated he felt that his rewrite would take care of this.
He also reviewed the permissive "P -D" uses. He stated that the total
density for the Planned Development could not exceed the land use shown
on the Land Use Map.
Vice Chairman Moots stated he would like to have a predetermined
density and use on each parcel in a Planned Development.
Councilman Gallagher stated that he would like to see on large acre
development what the costs to the City would be, and what they involve.
He also felt that the City should have some type of priority listing for
development. He added he felt it was important that the Council and
Commissions share any citizen input they receive.
Councilman Spierling corrected the memo from Mr. Butch regarding
his suggested change to the school section. It should have read
"... should recognize their responsibility to provide education facilities
and'programs for children." He then presented a suggested policy state-
ment regarding agricultural lands within the City. Councilman Millis
and Gallagher felt that the statement should include both Class I and II
on the section dealing with properties containing more than one soil type.
Councilman Gallagher stated that agriculture is the number one industry
in this area and that it has already'been compromised by developments on
the valley floor. He felt that we have a large.,amount of unemployment and
that a majority of people living here are adapted to this industry, and
that it shouldn't be compromised further. Councilman Spierling stated that
he felt that if the City shut down development on both Class I and II,
it would be faced with an inverse condemnation suit. Ella Honeycutt,
560 Oak Hill Road, stated there is a State'law now that prohibits such a
suit. After, further discussion, the Council and Commission discussed the
school section.
Councilman Gallagher noted that Administrator Butch had written
to all the governmental agencies within the School District to see
about a meeting to try to solve some of the problems, and that so far
he has only heard from the School District itself. Director Gallop
stated that unless Grover City, Pismo Beach, and the County all required
some kind of compensation to the School District for development at the
same time as Arroyo Grande, then Arroyo Grande would be subsidizing the
schools when it had a lesser per- family effect on the District than the
other three did. He added that he was in favor of some method of assessing
per dwelling unit to help the School District, but not where Arroyo.
Grande underwrites the complete District.
Ella Honeycutt, 560 Oak Hill Road, stated she wished to commend
the City; she said she believed the people felt they could still "touch"
the City.
ADJOURNMENT
There being no further business, on a motion by Councilman Spierling,
seconded by Councilman Gallagher, and unanimously carried, the City Council
adjourned to a budget study session at 4:00 P.M., May 24. The Commission
was adjourned by Vice Chairman Moots at 9:40 P.M.
ATTEST :
Secretary Vice- Chairman
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