PC Minutes 1973-04-17482
Arroyo Grande Planning Commission
April 17, 1973
The Arroyo Grande Planning Commission met in regular session with Chairman
Jones presiding, Present are Commissioners Calhoon, Goulart, Gullickson and
Pope, Commissioners Porter and Spierling are absent. Planning Director Gallop
and City Engineer Garing are also in attendance.
MINUTE APPROVAL
On motion by Commissioner Pope, seconded by Commissioner Gullickson, and
unanimously carried, the minutes of the regular meeting of .April 3, 1973 were
approved as prepared,
TRACT NO. 488
Planning Director Gallop reviewed the Subdivision Review Board report
on Tentative Subdivision Map for Tract ##488, dated April 13, 1973, and also
reviewed the tentative map of the development.
It was noted that there were several lots which were slightly under minimum
square footage requirements, and the Planning Director pointed out that these
lots were the result of several conditions forced upon the development by
abutting subdivisions; for example, the depth of the westerly lots of Tract
488 are pre - determined by the lots in Tract 85 directly to the north so that
Alder Street could be projected into the new development. It was also noted
that the width of these lots were more or less established upon an angular
sewer line across the property at such a depth that it would be impossible
to move or re -align it, and the staff felt it was better to acknowledge this
variance than to cause this sewer line to be relocated. There were several
other problem lots, and again these lots, by dimension, are more or less
forced upon the designer because of pre - existing conditions in Tract #282 to
the south, Tract 85 to the north, and Tract 140 to the west.
After the review, the Commission members discussed various aspects of
the development, with particular reference to the five flag lots and the
access drive to these building sites. After the discussion, it was agreed
that one additional requirement should be added to the report dated April
13th, which would be that the driveways to the flag lots be improved to not
less than 12' width from garage to property line, with 2" of A.C. paving, its
equal or better.
RESOLUTION NO. 73 -291
RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY
OF ARROYO GRANDE APPROVING TENTATIVE SUBDIVISION
MAP FOR TRACT NO. 488, AND REFERRAL TO THE CITY
COUNCIL FOR INFORMATIONAL PURPOSES ONLY.
On motion by Commissioner Pope, seconded by Commissioner Gullickson, and
by the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES:
NOES:
ABSENT:
Commissioners Jones, Calhoon, Gullickson and Pope
Commissioner Goulart
Commissioners Porter and Spierling
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 17th day of April, 1973.
TALLY HO ROAD PLAN LINE
Planning Director Gallop reviewed for the Commission the procedure and
purpose of establishing Plan Lines, and he noted that the Tally Ho Road Plan
Line had been ordered by the City Council, and that Garing and Taylor have
prepared the preliminary plan for the Commission's consideration and, if it
is acceptable, a public hearing could be held on May 1st.
Mr. Robert Garing, City Engineer, reviewed the plan for the members of
the Commission, noting areas on the map where right -of -way would have to be
acquired, and noting;athose areas where sufficient right- of- way`was existing
at the present time. Mr. Garing stated that the road . is projected to be.a
60' right -of -way with a 44' curb to curb improvement. It was noted that
drainage in this area is a particular problem, and curb and gutters, which
hopefully would result from adoption of the Plan Line, would help in re-
solving part of the drainage problem` +`
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Mr. Garing noted that in the final engineering of the Tally Ho Road Plan
Line, drop inlets, pipes, etc. would be designed to aid in the ultimate
drainage problem within the right -of -way area.
After discussion, the Commission recommended that the public hearing proceed,
and did not make any recommendations for changes in the proposed plan. Several
Commission members noted that this,- should be helpful in resolving some of the
existing problems of the area.
REVIEW OF CIELO VISTA MOBILEHOME PARK
The Planning Director had prepared a packet of documents for the Commission
members' review, beginning with Planning Commission minutes and Resolution No.
71 -187 U, dated July 19, 1971. The packet also included City Council action on
an appeal of the Planning Commission decision up through Planning Commission
minutes of March 7, 1972 and a new Resolution No, 72 -244 U, which re- adopted and
amended the Use Permit for the mobilehome park development.
It was pointed out that in Resolution No. 72 -244 U, Item 25 under Planning
Department requirements, appeared to be the area of concern. Commissioner
Goulart stated that, in his opinion, Item 25 stated that the developer was
granted the one year extension to complete development, engineering and land-
scaping plans, and have them approved by the Commission within that year.
Planning Director Gallop pointed out that this was not the intent; that the Use
Permit would become valid upon commencement of any work involving the mobilehome
park, including the issuance of a Grading Permit, which the City had done in
that calendar year, and that Item 25 stated that the developer must come back
to the Planning Commission with a development plan and landscaping plan for
the Commission's approval prior to application to the State for construction
permits. The Planning Director pointed out that the City issues all Grading
Permits in relationship to mobilehome parks, but the construction permits are
issued by the State and that, in his opinion, the issuance of a Grading Permit
within the calendar year activated the Use Permit.
Commissioner Goulart spoke of his opinions as to the results of the meeting
on March 7, 1972 and stated that there were other persons in the audience that
night that were of the same opinion. He mentioned that engineering plans, as
noted in a newspaper article,were supposed to be presented to the Commission for
approval. Director Gallop pointed out that the City staff has never submitted
engineering plans to the Planning Commission for consideration; only development
plans and, in his opinion, this is the area where there was a misunderstanding
by individuals as to the difference between engineering plans and development
plans.
After the. discussion, Mrs. Doris Olson stated that she was one of the
persons present, and she was also confused by the terminology.
Commissioner Goulart noted that, in his opinion, the minutes of the
Commission were incomplete and not sufficiently detailed, particularly with
reference to public hearings, and stated that he felt the City should purchase
a tape recorder for use in preparation and checking of minutes. As a result
of this statement, Commissioner Goulart moved that the City purchase a tape
recorder and the necessary additional equipment to enable the Planning
Commission to tape all of its meetings, and the equipment to be available to
the City Council if they wish to use it, and any other organization within.
the City. The motion was seconded by Commissioner Pope, and Chairman Jones
called for a roll call vote, to wit: Ayes: Commissioners Goulart, Gulllckson
and Pope; Noes: Commissioner Calhoon and Chairman Jones; Absent: Commissioners
Porter and Spierling.
At this point, Commissioner Pope suggested that 'the matter be tabled
until such time the final plans for the mobilehome park are submitted for the
Commission's consideration, ; and ,with -this suggestion, the matter was tabled.
GENERAL PLANNING DISCUSSION AND STUDY SESSION
Discussion was set over to the end of the meeting.
CITY COUNCIL ACTION
Commissioner Pope reported that he attended the last City Council meeting,
and the appointment of Al Spierling to the Coastal Valley Planning Council
was approved by the Council. He also advised that the Council had postponed
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any action on the appointment of a Citizens' Advisory Committee. Commissioner
Pope advised he was going to be out of town for the next Council meeting and
requested someone to fill in for him.
LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES CHANNEL COUNTIES DIVISION MEETING
Director Gallop announced that the next League of California Cities Channel
Counties Division Meeting would be held in Ventura on Friday, May 4th, and
requested anyone wishing to attend the meeting to inform the Planning Office
no later than Wednesday, April 25th for reservations.
ADJOURNMENT
On motion by Commissioner Goulart, seconded by Commissioner Gullickson, and
unanimously carried, the meeting was adjourned at 9 :40 P.M. to a study session.
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P1:nning Director
NOTE:
Mr. and Mrs. Jackson of 998 Sycamore Drive were present and spoke to the
Chairman in opposition to a condition existing in Tract #463 with relationship
to the blowing sand and the apparent length of time it is going to take to
complete the development.
The Planning Director briefly reviewed the steps necessary for a developer
to get the subdivision to a point where the building of homes could start.
Mrs. Jackson also asked if the City can require a developer to build homes of
such a square footage and value so as to be compatible with the area in which
they are building. Chairman Jones noted that the Commission did not have this
authority, and Planning Director Gallop noted that lending agencies would not
permit marginal houses being built on new lots today because of the develop-
ment costs involved.
GENERAL PLANNING DISCUSSION AND STUDY SESSION
The Commission and Planning Director entered into a study session dealing
with general planning matters, and the session was adjourned at 10 :50 P.M.