PC Minutes 1969-10-07Planning Commission
Arroyo Grande, .California
October 7, 1969
The Planning Commission met in regular session with Chairman Moss presiding.
Present are Commissioners Bowles, McMillen, St. Denis and Strother. Commissioners Porter
and Sawyer are absent. Also in attendance are Councilman Levine and Planning Director
Gallop.
MINUTE APPROVAL
On motion of Commissioner Strother, seconded by. Commissioner Bowles, and
unanimously carried, the minutes of the regular meeting of September 16, 1969 were
approved as prepared.
COMMISSIONER PORTER ENTERED THE MEETING
II LETTER OF AGREEMENT FROM MRS. LILLIAN QUARESMA
Director Gallop advised the matter involved a request to build a new single family
dwelling in an R -1 District which was formerly subdivided, and that curb, gutter and
sidewalk are normally required, however, this property creates problems as far as access
on Halcyon Road is concerned because of sight distance. In order to permit Mrs. Quaresma
to build this home, she and her heirs have entered into an agreement, filed with the
City, that when the lots are re- subdivided for the purpose of developing building sites,
they will be served by an extension of Magnolia Drive and without access directly to
Halcyon Road. He advised this was a matter of information to the Commission.
AMERICAN INSTITUTE OF PLANNERS CONFERENCE
Director Gallop advised the Conference would be held on Friday and Saturday in
.mid November, but no dates have been set as yet. Money has been budgeted for one or
two Commission members to attend, and any member wishing to attend was asked to advise
Mr. Gallop, and he would advise them as soon as the dates have been set.
COMMISSIONER SAWYER ENTERED THE MEETING
COASTAL VALLEY PLANNING COUNCIL
Commissioner Bowles advised the Coastal Valley Planning Council had met last
night and were advised the Board of Supervisors had authorized the Chairman and the
Clerk to sign the amended Joint Powers Agreement. Director Gallop advised that two
paragraphs of the Joint Powers Agreement had been amended; one was the paragraph
involving membership, and the second involves the County's contribution. He stated
a letter had been received from the County promising staff assistance and secretarial
services in lieu of cash funds.
On motion of Commissioner McMillen, seconded by Commissioner St. Denis, and
unanimously carried, :that a recommendation be made to the City Council to approve
and .authorize :signing of the Joint Powers Agreement.
MOBILE HOME AND TRAVEL TRAILER PARKS - NEW LEGISLATION
Director Gallop advised that on Thursday, October 9th, starting at 10:00 a.m.
in the Arroyo Grande Council Chambers, the City would be hosting a meeting by the
Department of Housing and Community Development on new legislation concerning mobile
home and travel trailer parks. It is anticipated that 12 to 15 representatives from
the different areas will be present, and Commission members were invited to attend.
ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL - WILLIAMS BROS. SHOPPING CENTER
Commissioner Porter advised the Architectural Committee had granted approval
for two small buildings on property originally designed for one large structure, and
inquired if this would be in conformance with the original approved plans, or if the
Commission would consider this as a deviation of the original approved plan.
Director Gallop advised that when Williams Brothers secured a Use Permit to
develop the present shopping area, the area which is unpaved southwest of Kinney's
Shoes was proposed to be one large structure. Now they have received architectural
approval for two small structures, leaving a considerable area yet to be developed.
Commissioner Porter advised the developer has indicated they also have plans for a
third building in between the two proposed buildings. He also pointed out that the
present buildings in the shopping center are of the same roof design, but that the
two proposed buildings are completely different, by necessity, because of the type
of business.
On motion of Commissioner McMillen, seconded by Commissioner Strother, and
unanimously carried, that the original plans for the Williams Bros. Shopping Center
be reviewed by the Commission to determine suitability of the proposed structures.
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PUBLIC HEARING - USE PERMIT CASE NO. 69 -147 - POSTER PANEL STRUCTURE, GRAND AVE., WEST
OF JUNIPER ST, (RYAN OUTDOOR ADV., INC.)
Director Gallop advised that a map had been prepared by staff showing the location
of the proposed signs. This particular site is in the area of the strawberry fields,
west of Bonanza Realty office. The property is about the same grade as the street. He
advised that in the applications, none of the five applications indicates whether the
panels are single or double faced and, if so, if both sides are to be lighted. The
bottom of this panel will be 15° from grade, and 12' high, with an overall height of
approximately 27, feet. The application indicates the panel would be exterior lighted,
non - flashing, and non - rotating.
Upon being assured by Director Gallop that the Public Hearing for Use Permit Case
No. 69 -147, Poster Panel Structure, Grand Ave., West of Juniper St., had been duly
published, posted and property owners notified, Chairman Moss declared the hearing open.
William Black, 1300 Brighton St., Arroyo Grande, was present and stated, in his
opinion, advertising of this nature only detracts from the beauty of the City and he
would object to the sign. Mrs Virginia Strother, 270 Larchmont, Arroyo Grande, was
present and stated she is a member of the City Beautification Committee, and is very
muct interested in making the City as attractive as possible, and that large billboards
such as these are not suitable for the center of the town. Mrs. John Raeberg, of
Hillcrest Drive, was present and advised she was opposed to the sign. Mrs. Ellen
Johnson, 163 So. Elm, was present and advised she was opposed to the sign. She also
asked if the City did not have an Ordinance against billboards within the City limits
of Arroyo Grande. Chairman Moss advised that the signs they are requesting are per-
mitted in the P -M Planned Industrial zone, subject to Use Permit procedure.
Jim Odum, a representative of the Ryan Outdoor Advertising Co. was present and
stated he resides in Salinas, California, and that his area of responsibility covers
the 4 counties from. Monterey to Santa Barbara. He advised that his company has agreed
to remove the structures on Traffic Way and Branch Street, and that the matter of these
signs has -already been before this Commission and the City Council, and there was a
question as to policy and to interpretation of the existing Sign Ordinance. At that
time, it was the opinion of the City Council that outdoor advertising structures vo uld
be allowed in Industrial zoned areas only, which, in the industry, is a restriction
beyond normal. We are normally, in the 22 counties in which we operate, allowed
to function as a media. in heavy commercial and industrial zones as a matter of right
without applying for a Use Permit.
Mr. Odum stated his company would be able to comply with the suggested require-
ments of the staff that the electrical wiring would be placed underground, and that
the landscaping requirements would also be complied with. He also stated, with re-
gard to how long the structure would be in place, that agreements with the property
owners may be terminated with a 30 day notice . should the property be developed in
such a way that they would be in the way of said development. He stated the
construction plans submitted have been certified by an engineer which establishes
the maximum codes on a structure of this nature, and that all signs would be double
faced so that the back side of the structure would not be visable.
As there was no further discussion for or against the proposed Use Permit,
Chairman Moss declared the hearing closed.
Commissioner McMillen asked. Mr. Odum if they applied for the sign prior to
getting approval from the property owner. Mr. Odum advised they have agreements
with the property owners, and that it is necessary to indicate the owner's approval
on the application.
On motion of Commissioner McMillen, seconded by Commissioner Strother, and
unanimously carried, action on Use Permit Case No. 69 -147 is tabled until completion
of Public Hearings on all five applications for poster panels.
PUBLIC HEARING - USE PERMIT CASE NO.. 69 -148 POSTER PANEL STRUCTURE 958 GRAND AVE.
(RYAN OUTDOOR ADV„ INC.)
Director Gallop advised the request is roughly 200° west of Halcyon Road and
would be located between the Motorcycle Shop and the Auto Shop, on the west side of
the entrance to the property, which would be 17° west of the Motorcycle Shop. This
sign would be 24° from grade, which is also street grade to the bottom of the panel,
with an overall height of 36 °. The panel would be above the existing...structures in
this area.
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Upon being assured by Director Gallop that the Public Hearing for Use Permit
Case No. 69 -148, Poster Panel Structure at 958 Grand..Avenue had been duly published,
.posted and property owners notified, Chairman Moss declared the hearing open.
Mrs. Ellen Johnson, 163 So, Elm Street; Mr. Leroy Berry, 1355 Grand Ave.; Mr.
William Black, 1300 Brighton; Mr. Walt Filer, 1015 Grand Avenue; Mrs. Virginia Strother,
270 Larchmont Drive; and Mrs. John Raeberg, Hillcrest Drive, were present and stated
they were opposed to this Use Permit being granted.
Mr. Jim Odum, stated with regard to this application, his company would comply
with the requirement of undergrounding utilities as recommended by the staff, and that
they would also be able to landscape the area. He also pointed out that the proper
term for these structures is "Standardized Poster Panels", and that billboards may
appear anywhere_.
In answer to Director Gallop's question regarding periodic changes to the panels,
Mr. Odum advised they are changed monthly, and copy is submitted by agencies and local
businesses.
No further discussion for or against the proposed Use Permit, Chairman Moss
declared the hearing closed.
On motion of Commissioner McMillen, seconded by Commissioner Bowles, and
unanimously carried, action on Use Permit Case No. 69 -148 was tabled until completion
of Public Hearings on all five applications for poster panels.
PUBLIC HEARING - USE PERMIT CASE NO. 69 -149 - POSTER PANEL STRUCTURE HALCYON ROAD:.
NORTH OF GRAND AVENUE (RYAN OUTDOOR ADV., INC.)
Director Gallop advised.the request is for a poster panel on the west side of
Halcyon, north of Grand Avenue, and would be adjacent to.the small garage behind
Steffan's Carpet City. On this particular panel request, the bottom of the panel
would be 12° from grade, and 24'.overal1 height, double faced, exterior lighting,
non - flashing and non- rotating.
Upon being assured by. Director Gallop that the Public Hearing for, Use. Permit
Case No.. 69 -149, Poster Panel Structure on Halcyon Road north of Grand. Avenue had been
duly published, posted and property owners, notified, Chairman Moss declared the hear-
ing open.
E1len.iJohnson, 163 So. Elm Street, stated she is opposed to this sign. Mrs.
John Raeberg, Hillcrest Drive, inquired as to what advantage these signs would be
to the City. Mr. Odum advised the structures are assessed close to $6,000. to
$8,000., dependent upon the size, and the company also pays for a City business
license.
Mr. William Black, 1300 Brighton Ave., stated he was opposed to this sign from
a traffic standpoint.in that it might detract from the safety at the intersection of
Grand and Halcyon. Col. Ben Jacobs, 1136 Grand Avenue, stated, in his opinion, the
dollars are important, and it is also important to have a nice looking area. He
suggested. that a.time.limit be put on the signs; that there may not be any harm.at
the present time, but big signs can get awfully cumbersome. Mrs. Virginia Strother,
270 Larchmont, stated she was opposed to this sign also; that it is difficult enough
to makethe: area attractive and, in her opinion, the businessmen have concluded that
a beautiful. area is important to business. She stated-Grand Avenue, in particular,,
is difficult to beautify because it is so spread out, and. she:.believed.these.structures
would make the area more. unattractive.
Mr. Walt Filer, 1015'Grand Avenue, stated he is opposed to this type of sign
because he feels this is not the proper place for them.
No further discussion for or against the proposed Use Permit, Chairman Moss
declared the hearing closed.
On motion of Commissioner McMillen, seconded by Commissioner Strother, and
unanimously carried, that action on Use Permit Case No. 69 -149 be tabled until
completion of Public Hearings on all five applications for poster panels,
PUBLIC HEARING - USE PERMIT CASE NO. 69 -150, POSTER PANEL STRUCTURE, 112 BRISCO ROAD,
(RYAN OUTDOOR ADV., INC.)
Director Gallop advised the panel would be 15' from grade, or an overall height
of 27 °, with exterior illumination, non - flashing, non - rotating.
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Upon being assured by Director Gallop that the Public Hearing for Use Permit
Case No. 69 - 150, Poster Panel Structure at 112 Brisco Road had been duly published,
posted and property owners notified, Chairman Moss declared the hearing open.
Director Gallop advised the sign would be between the Arc Shop and the Print
Shop on Brisco Road, and would be visable from Grand Avenue.
Mrs. Ellen Johnson, 163 So. Elm Street; Mrs. John Raeberg, Hillcrest Drive;
Mr. William Black, 1300 Brighton; Mr. Leroy Berry, 1355 Grand Avenue; and Mrs.
Strother, 270 Larchmont, stated they were opposed to this sign.
No further discussion for or against the proposed Use Permit, Chairman Moss
declared the hearing closed.
On motion of Commissioner McMillen, seconded by Commissioner Strother, and
unanimously carried, that action on Use Permit Case No. 69 -150 be tabled until
completion of Public Hearings on all five applications for poster panels.
PUBLIC HEARING - USE PERMIT CASE NO. 69 -151, POSTER PANEL STRUCTURE, 1303 GRAND AVE.,
(RYAN OUTDOOR ADV., INC.
Director Gallop advised the proposed panel is adjacent to the residence owned by
Mr. Bizzini. The grade is about 3' lower than the street grade, and it is just west of
Juniper Street.
Upon being assured by Director Gallop that the Public Hearing for Use Permit
Case No. 69 -151, Poster Panel Structure, 1303 Grand Avenue, had been duly published,
posted and property owners notified, Chairman Moss declared the hearing open.
Mr. William Black, 1300 Brighton; Mrs. Ellen Johnson, 163 So. Elm; and Mr.
Leroy Berry, 1355 Grand Avenue, stated they were opposed to this sign.
No further discussion for or against the proposed Use Permit, Chairman Moss
declared the hearing closed.
ADMINISTRATOR BUTCH ENTERED THE MEETING
In answer to Commissioner Strother's question as to what plans were being made
by Ryan with regard to removing the present non - conforming signs as required by the
City Council in their meeting of August 26, 1969, Mr. Odum advised his company has
notified the City Administrator that they are complying with that request and they
hope to do tot before the end of the month.
After discussion, the following action was taken:
RESOLUTION NO. 69-136 u
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY
OF"ARROYO GRANDE DENYING A USE PERMIT, CASE NO. 69 -151
- On motion of Commissioner Strother, seconded by Commissioner Sawyer, and on .the
following roll call Vote, to wit :.
AYES: Commissioners Bowles, McMillen, Porter, St. Denis, Sawyer, Strother
and Moss
NOES: Ncne
ABSENT: None
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 7th day of October, 1969.
USE PERMIT_CASE NO. 69 -147
On motion of Commissioner Strother, seconded by Commissioner Bowles, and
unanimously carried, that Use Permit Case No. 69 -147 be reopened.
Commissioner Strother moved that this Use Permit be denied from the standpoint
of aesthetics. The :.motion lost for lack of a second and the matter was tabled.
USE PERMIT CASE N0.69 -148
On motion of Commissioner Strother, seconded by Commissioner St. Denis, and
unanimously carried, that Use Permit Case No. 69 -148 be reopened.
RESOLUTION NO. 69 - 137 U
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE
CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE DENYING A USE PERMIT, CASE NO. 69 - 148
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On motion of Commissioner Sawyer, seconded by Commissioner Strother, and on
the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Porter, St. Denis, Sawyer, Strother and Moss
NOES: Commissioners Bowles and McMillen
ABSENT: None
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 7th day of October, 1969.
USE PERMIT CASE NO. 69 -149
On motion of Commissioner Strother, seconded by Commissioner St. Denis, ,and
unanimously carried, that Use Permit. Case No. 69 -149 be reopened.
. RESOLUT1 ON'. N0, . 69 =. 138 U
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE
CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE DENYING A USE PERMIT,
CASE NO. 69 -149
On motion of .Commissioner McMillen, seconded by Commissioner Strother, and on
the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners McMillen, Porter, St. Denis, Strother and Moss
NOES: Commissioners Bowles and Sawyer
ABSENT: None
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 7th day of October, 1969.
USE PERMIT CASE NO. 69 -150
On motion of Commissioner Bowles, seconded by Commissioner Strother, and
unanimously carried, that Use Permit Case No. 69-150 be reopened.
RESOLUTION NO. 69 -139 U
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNONG COMMISSION OF THE
CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE DENYING A USE PERMIT,
CASE NO. 69 -150.
On motion of Commissioner St. Denis, seconded by Commissioner Strother, and
on the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners McMillen, St. Denis, Strother and Moss
NOES: Commissioners Bowles, Porter and Sawyer
ABSENT: None
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 7th day of October, 1969.
USE PERMIT. CASE NO. 69 -147
On motion of Commissioner St. Denis, seconded by Commissioner Porter, and
unanimously carried, that Use Permit Case No, 69 -147 be reopened.
RESOLUTION NO. 69 -140 U
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY
OF ARROYO GRANDE GRANTING A USE PERMIT, CASE NO. 69 -147.
On motion of Commissioner St. Denis, seconded by Commissioner Porter, and on
the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Bowles, McMillen, Porter, St. Denis and Strother
NOES: Commissioners Sawyer and Moss
ABSENT: None
the foregoing resolution was adopted this 7th day of October, 1969.
PUBLIC HEARING - USE PERMIT CASE NO. 69 -152 - EXPANSION OF MOBILE HOME PARK, 535
TRAFFIC WAY (SCHMITT)
Director Gallop advised the request is to expand an existing mobile home perk
on South Traffic Way. The property in question is on a bench which has been developed
to the south of the property and faces on to the South Traffic Way Extension. The
plans presented are within the density requirement standards of the City. Mr. Schmitt
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has already placed the curb and Otter.
Upon being assured by Director Gallop that the Public Hearing for Use Permit
Case No. 69 -152, Expansion of Mobile Home Park at 535 Traffic Way had been duly
published, posted and property owners notified, Chairman Moss declared the hearing
open.
No discussion for or against the proposed Use Permit, Chairman Moss declared
the hearing closed.
Commissioner Strother asked if any landscaping had been proposed for the home
sites themselves. Director Gallop advised that because this bench is quite an ex-
tensive cut slope on both sides and individual site landscaping would cause a problem
in that the spaces are not large and access to the sites would be difficult because of
restricted roadway.
After discussion, the following action was taken:
RESOLUTION NO. 69 -141 U
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE
CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE GRANTING A USE PERMIT,
CASE NO. 69 -152.
On motion of Commissioner McMillen, seconded by Commissioner Strother, and on
the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Bowles, McMillen, Porter, St. Denis, Sawyer,
Strother and Moss
NOES: None
ABSENT: None
the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 7th day of October, 1969.
GULF STATION ON GRAND AVENUE
Chairman Moss inquired .regarding the street imp.rovements of the :Gu1.f ::Sta.t i on. on
,ePdt... Administrator Butch advised that, to his knowledge, no word had been received
as yet from the property owner. Chairman Moss requested that Director Gallop report
on this matter at the next Commission meeting.
PARKING OF SEMI TRUCKS AND TRAILERS IN THE PUBLIC RIGHT OF WAY
Chairman Moss inquired as to the status of the problem of parking semi trucks
and trailers in public right of way. Director Gallop advised that a report would be
submitted to the Commission at their next meeting.
ADJOURNMENT
On motion of Commissioner McMillen, seconded by Commissioner Porter, and
unanimously carried, the meeting was adjourned at 9 :30 P.M.
ATTEST:
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,Secretary. 1 Chairman