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PC Minutes 1969-08-05Planning Commission Arroyo Grande, California August 5, 1969 The Planning Commission met in regular session with Chairman Moss presiding. Present are Commissioners Bowles, McMillen, Porter, Sawyer and Strother. Commissioner St. Denis is absent. Also in attendance are Mayor Thompson and Planning Director Gallop. MINUTE APPROVAL On motion of Commissioner McMillen, seconded by Commissioner Sawyer, and unanimously carried, the minutes of the regular meeting of July 15, 1969 were approved as prepared. AMENDMENT TO THE COASTAL VALLEY PLANNING COUNCIL JOINT POWERS AGREEMENT Commissioner Bowles reported that the Coastal Valley Planning Council met last night and formulated an Amendment to the Joint Powers Agreement. Director Gallop advised the amendment will go to the Planning Commissions for their consideration and, if they approve, it will then be submitted to the Board of Supervisors before it is submitted to the City Councils. He explained that the Board of Supervisors objected to the original membership as proposed and made a suggestion which was not acceptable to the Council. Director Gallop stated this is a third proposal and, in his opinion, provides better representation than the original. He explained it provides for each of the four entities to have two members, with the 9th member to be selected by the eight members of the Council. Commissioner Strother asked for clarification regarding the appointment of the representative -at- large. Director Gallop advised that any of the four juris- dictions can make a recommendation, but it takes a majority vote of the eight members of the Council to make the appointment, and he stated this point would be clarified in the final form of the amendment. After discussion, the Commission indicated their approval of the Amendment. DISCUSSION RE UNDERGROUNDING OF UTILITIES Director Gallop advised a communication had been received from the California Roadside Council in connection with undergrounding utilities. He advised that about two months ago one of the members of the Public Utilities Commission and one of the examiners for the Commission made a proposal to the P.U.C. in connection with under - grounding utilities that when a street widening or reconstruction takes place in local entities or state, and relocation of existing utilities are required, the recommendation for policy when such relocation is required is utilities be placed underground by that utility rather than local financing. He advised that various cities are being requested to address a letter to the Public Utilities Commission backing this recommendation. Mr. Richmond, a representative of the Pacific Gas & Electric Company, was present and stated he felt his company is as interested in undergrounding utilities as anyone, however, one of the conditions set forth in the letter from P.U.C. was that this would be contingent upon no change in rate, and this is not possible. He advised that these proposals, if adopted, are not economically feasible; there is only one source of income and that is the customers, and undergrounding of utilities must be paid for by the rates. Mr. Richmond recommended that the Commission investigate this thoroughly before offering a blanket endorsement. Chairman Moss instructed Director Gallop to compile more information on this matter and place it on the next agenda. PUBLIC HEARING USE PERMIT CASE NO. 69 -143 FREE STANDING SIGN 611 GRAND AVE. SANTA MARIA NEON (ART ° S SAN RAMON) Director Gallop advised the request is for a non- flashing and non- revolving sign. with a lantern type light fixture on the top of:the pole. Plans submitted indicate a 12° clearance from grade; the sign face is 40 square feet in area, and the sign is to be placed on the westerly side of the parking lot adjacent to Grand Avenue. He stated the sign size and height are within the permissive limits of the Highway Service District. Upon being assured by Director Gallop that the Public Hearing for Use Permit Case No. 69 -143, Free Standing Sign, 611 Grand Avenue, had been duly published, posted and property owners notified, Chairman Moss declared the hear- ing open. 235 236 Planning Commission, 8 /5/69 Page 2 Mr. Laird, representing Santa Maria Neon, and agent for the petitioner, was present and stated he had been advised by the Building Inspector that the sign falls within the sign code as written, and that the sign is 8 °x5° and the pole would be set in 8° from property line so that there would be no encroachment into the public right -of -way. No further discussion for or against the proposed Use Permit, Chairman Moss declared the hearing closed, and the following action was taken, RESOLUTION NO. 69 -131 U A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE GRANTING A USE PERMIT, CASE NO, 69 -143, On motion of Commissioner Strother, seconded by Commissioner Bowles, and on the following roll call vote, to wit: AYES: Commissioners Bowles, McMillen, Porter, Sawyer, Strother and Moss NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner St. Denis the foregoing Resolution was adopted this 5th day of August, 1969, PUBLIC HEARING - USE PERMIT CASE NO, 69-144. CONVALESCENT HOME 1210 FARROLL AVE, WYATT Director Gallop directed attention to the plot plan and floor plan displayed on the board. He advised that over a year ago this property was approved by the Commission for Mobile Home Park use but not implemented. The property consists of 4 plus acres. The proposed facility is for a 67 bed convalescent home, and must be approved by the Regional Health Planning Council if the developers are seeking public monies to support or assist in the construction. However, this approval is not necessarily required if private funds are used. He also pointed out that a few years ago the Oak Sanitarium was granted approval by both this Commission and by the Health Council for expansion of their facility, however, that approval has lapsed and, under the new zoning, this expansion would no longer be permissible, Upon being assured by Director Gallop that the Public Hearing for Use Permit Case No. 69 -144, Convalescent Home at 1210 Farroll Avenue had been duly published, posted and property owners notified, Chairman Moss declared the hearing open. The petitioner, Mr. J. B. Wyatt, 2140 South Court, Visalia, Calif., was present and spoke in favor of the Use Permit being granted. He stated'he _isa contractor and is co -owner of three convalescent hospitals and is familar with all of the rules and regulations, and that if the permit is granted, he is prepared to meet all City requirements in the way of setbacks, sewer, curb, gutter and sidewalks, etc., and he is also prepared to meet all of the requirements of the Regional Health Planning Council, Director Gallop advised the Commission that Mr. David J. Sieperman, 508 Carol Place, called the Planning Department this afternoon, and as spokesman for the subdivision, advised there were no objections from the residents of the sub - division. No further discussion for or against the proposed Use Permit, Chairman Moss declared the hearing closed. Director Gallop pointed out that the Arroyo Grande Community Hospital has a request before the Health Planning Council for a convalescent facility, but they have not submitted or requested to initiate a zone change, which will be necessary before they can be permitted to start. The Health Council has a large demand for new beds in the entire county and it will be up to them to determine who gets it and what the priority will be,' Commissioner Strother moved the Resolution approving the Use Permit be amended to clarify the fact that the Commission is approving this Use Permit without prejudice. to any other application to be made. or granted. Motion lost for lack of a second because it was the feeling of the Commission that all Use Permits are granted without prejudice. Planning Commission, 845/69 After a brief discussion the following action was taken: RESOLUTION NO. 69-132 U A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE GRANTING A USE PERMIT, CASE N0, 69 - 144. On motion of Commissioner Sawyer, seconded by Commissioner McMillen, and on the following roll call vote, to wit: AYES: Commissioners Bowles, McMillen, Porter, Sawyer, Strother and Moss NOES: None ABSENT: Commissioner St. Denis the foregoing resolution was adopted this 5th day of August, 1969. RE1UEST FROM TIME OIL CO, TO AMEND USE PERMIT Director Gallop requested permission to introduce a non - agenda item. The request is from Time Oil Company to amend Use Permit Case No. 68 -134 to allow an addition to existing sign at 504 Grand Ave. On motion of Commissioner Strother, seconded by Commissioner Sawyer, and unanimously carried,: permission was granted to consider the TimeOil Company °s request. Director Gallop advised the request is to add an additional sign to the existing free standing sign which would be 12 square feet in size, containing "per gallon gas price ". He advised that the addition of the small sign to the existing sign would still be within the requirements of the Use Permit for the District. Page 3 Commission members were given a copy of the plans for the sign. Commissioner McMillen noted the sketch indicated only one price and inquired if Time Oil would be selling two grades of gasoline and,' if so, the State law requires that both grade . prices be shown. Mr. Laird, Santa Maria Neon, stated that Time Oil Company does have two grades of gasoline and the sketch only shows the one price, but the intention is to have two signs showing the two prices. After discussion, - on motion of Commissioner_Porter, seconded by Commissioner McMillen, and unanimously carried, that the requested amendment be resubmitted to comply with the State law. CONS I DERAT I ON i OF THE..S;LGN ORDINANCE : Director Gallop reviewed that two years ago a Sign Ordinance was recom- mended by the Commission and adopted by the City Council. One of the provisions made the ground signs or "billboards" non - conforming in most districts in the City and gave a period of two years for correction of these signs. The effective date for correction was July 27th, 1969. The owners of these signs were notified by certified mail two years ago concerning this action of the Council and the con- ditions, and at that time nothing was done by either owner of four affected signs. Several weeks ago, both owners appeared before this Commission requesting consider- ation of the requirement, and were referred to the City Council. The City Council took no direct action other than refer the matter back to the Commission for a recommendation and comments, with the suggestion to meet with the owners of the signs to consider amendment to the Ordinance or other action, and report back to the Council. Mr. Odum, of the Ryan Outdoor Advertising Co., was present and requested . consideration of an amendment or amendments to the Sign Ordinance which would . legalize ground signs or billboards. Director Gallop advised that in talking to Mr. Shipsey, City Attorney, it was his opinion that the Ordinance is non - discriminatory and he felt it was a legal Ordinance. Director Gallop advised the Commission they would have two alternatives: (1) Acting as a Committee as.a whole or select a committee to work on a possible amendment to the Sign Ordinance or, (2) a statement that the Commission feels that the Ordinance adopted reflects the intention of the Commission and refer the matter back to the Council for their action. Mr. Gallop advised the Ordinance was prepared by the International Conference of Building Officials, and adopted by the City with amendments. 237 '238 Planning Commission, 8/5/69 Page 4 Mr. Odum stated the Ordinance that Mr. Gallop refers to as the suggested code by the Builders does not separate and define this type of structure. There are certain aspects about these structures that require them to comply with a more rigid code whereas a ground sign may not have to have a building setback on private property. We feel that by meeting with a Committee we can proceed in such a way that you would have the decided control on our industry and you could specifically apply our type of structure to any zone that you wish. Commissioner McMillen inquired as to why, since there are no "M" Districts in the City, the sign companies have not applied for a zoning change to an "M" District. Director Gallop advised anyone is free to apply for a zone change but since the ground on which their signs are located is, probably leased, the property owner would have to file the application. Mr. Harris, Manager of Sambo °s Restaurant, stated this had been their intention, but the owner of the property on which their sign is located is now in Europe and nothing can be done until he returns. After discussion, on motion of Commissioner McMillen, seconded by Commissioner Bowles motion carried with one "no" vote, that a committee of two members of the Planning Commission be appointed to meet with Mr. Harris and Mr. Odum and study the Sign Ordinance for a possible amendment or reaffirm the Commission's stand. Commissioners McMillen and Bowles were appointed to the Committee to study the Sign Ordinance, and report their findings back to the Commission. Chairman Moss requested Director Gallop to write to the City of Newport Beach for a copy of their Sign Ordinance. REQUEST FOR ENFORCEMENT OF SPEED LiMiT ON WALNUT STREET Commissioner McMillen requested that the Police. Department be informed of the speeding automobiles on Walnut Street, and recommended that the sp limits be enforced. ADJOURNMENT There being no further business before the Commission, the meeting was adjourned at 8 :29 P.M. ATTEST: Secretary Chairman