PC Minutes 1968-09-1780
Planning Commission
Arroyo Grande, California
September 17, 1968
The Planning Commission met in regular session with Chairman McMillen pre-
siding. Present are Commissioners Moss, Porter, St. Denis, Skelton and Strother.
Absent is Commissioner Sawyer. Also in attendance are Councilman Levine, City
Administrator Butch, Director of Public Works Anderson, City Engineer Garing, and
Planning Director Gallop.
MINUTE APPROVAL
On motion of Commissioner Moss, seconded by Commissioner Skelton, and
unanimously carried, the minutes of the regular meeting of September 3, 1968 were
approved as prepared.
USE PERMIT CASE NO. 68 -131 - JONES AMBULANCE SERVICE, 957 GRAND AVENUE
Director Gallop advised that at the last Planning Commission meeting, Jones
Ambulance Service application for Use Permit was denied, and they were advised
they would have ten days in which to make an appeal to the City Council. He
stated that Jones Ambulance Service had subsequently filed an appeal with the City
Council and, therefore, the matter was out of the hands of this Commission. He
indicated that the hearing on the appeal had been set for October 8th, 1968.
COMMISSIONER SAWYER ENTERED THE MEETING DURING THE ABOVE DISCUSSION
LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES - STATE MEETING, OCTOBER 13TH TO 16TH
After consideration, Director Gallop was informed that none of the Commissioners
would be available to attend the League of California Cities meeting in Los Angeles,
October 13th to 16th.
COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION - REZONING ALONG HALCYON ROAD
Director Gallop advised that after the last Planning Commission meeting an
announcement was received from the County Planning Commission regarding a request
for the Commission to initiate zoning on the two trailer parks south and adjacent
to the south City Limits east of Halcyon, and that a lot split had been filed on
the trailer park which is immediately south of the City.
Director Gallop stated that inasmuch as this Commission would not be able
to consider the matter, the staff reviewed it and wrote a recommendation to the
County Planning Commission. The Commission was given a copy of Director Gallop's
letter to the County Planning Commission, dated September 11, 1968. After dis-
cussion, on motion of Commissioner Skelton, seconded by Commissioner St. Denis,
and unanimously carried, that this Commission . approve_ the staff's
recommendations to the County Planning Commission. The recommendations are as
follows:
1. That a 10' deed for road purposes on the Halcyon Road frontage be re-
quired.
2. Request a 15' flood control and green belt easement westerly of the top
bank of the Arroyo Grande Creek Streambed in Parcel #3.
3. Request that an easement be delineated in Parcels 2 and 3, each 30'
wide, a total of 60' in width, which would parallel the division line
between Parcels 2 and 3 to provide for the orderly extension of
Greenwood Drive southerly to the property line.
4. Concerning the rezoning, we would recommend that Parcel 1, if it is to
be rezoned for multiple use, be zoned R -3 with the condition that it be
developed only as a mobile home park, not to exceed an R -2 density.
5. Concerning the rezoning of Parcels 2 and 3, we would recommend that
these be zoned no heavier than R -1, in view of the access from Woodland
Drive. If the Commission sees fit to provide a density heavier than
R -1, then we would waive the request for the 60' easement and would
respectfully request a deed of one foot across the southerly end of
Woodland Drive to the City of Arroyo Grande to protect the local
residential street from a density development which would be higher
than R -1.
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CHANNEL CITIES LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES MEETING
Director Gallop advised that the Channel Cities League of California Cities
quarterly meeting would be held at Oxnard, Friday night, September 27th, and
requested any Commission member wishing to attend to make reservations by
September 20th.
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PUBLIC HEARING - CONTINUATION - FAIR OAKS EXTENSION PLAN LINE
Chairman McMillen declared the hearing open. Mr. Andrew David was present and
stated he represented Mr. and Mrs. Fred Grieb and the Grieb Trust. Mr. David stated
one of the items mentioned in the staff report was that under the staff proposed
alignment was that it would eliminate the dangerous intersection with Valley Road.
He stated that the proposed alternate alignment would also meet the same qualifications.
He stated some of the comments he had heard were why they had proposed the alternate
route instead of going through the orchard, and he stated one of the reasons is that
the owners would like to continue farming it and keep it in the green belt, and they
felt it is an asset to the City. He stated if the staff proposal is adopted and used,
the orchard might not be able to remain because of economical reasons.
Mr. Conrad' Grieb was present and explained the problems which would arise as
a result of the staff proposal, stating it would run the cost up not only on pre-
paring ground, but the time element on machinery will become approximately twice
as much because of the road. He stated when a machine has to run for four hours
instead of two hours, it is doubling up the cost. He also stated that with the
water situation, their irrigation system is very costly and they would have to re-
do the entire irrigation setup, and that all of these things enter into farming.
He stated these were their main objections; they had no objection to the road and
agreed that there should be a road for the safety of the youngsters and that the
general public needs it.
Mr. David stated he believed it was important not only to the property
owners, but also to the City to retain this area as long as possible, and that it
would appear from the work done so far, it is questionable that they could continue
to operate economically. He stated, from his understanding, when the City Engineer
did this work, he was taking this approach strictly from an engineering point of
view, and he suggested it shouldn't be strictly engineering. Mr. Lowell Kraatz .
was present, stating he had been contacted a few days ago by the Griebs and asked
to make a study on the staff's proposal. He stated in a study of route selection
for any highway, the prime factors are safety for the traveling public, economy,
capacity, aesthetics, and general highway engineering. He stated in reviewing
the two lines as shown on the map, on two points he saw no difference on the lines.
From the standpoint of capacity, there would be no difference between the two
proposals, and from the standpoint of economy and straight highway engineering,
the staff recommendation is correct. He stated that now we are taking aesthetics
more into consideration than in the past, and he believed that Alternate #3
(Grieb proposal) presents a more aesthetic roadway and that it does preserve the
present and past use of these properties. He stated from the point of overall
economy, Alternate #3 is probably more expensive, al- though this would take ex-
tensive study. In summary, he stated he didn't think either line had the advantage
over the other one, but he felt the Grieb route is better than the staff recom-
mendation. From a traffic standpoint there is no difference; aesthetically, the
Grieb line would be more pleasing to the traffic; and that the cost would take
more extensive study.
Mr. David stated the situation still exists where the children are still
coming down on the private right -of -way, and felt the Grieb route would correct
this problem.
Mr. David stated it would appear there is not a tremendous amount of
difference between the two routes, and it appears there is substantial advantage
to using the alternate Grieb proposal to serve the area, and it would work out
much better as far as getting children to the high school. He stated they have
talked about it and feel very strongly about it and for this reason, the Griebs
are willing to give to the City of Arroyo Grande an 80° deed for right -of -way
across their property west of the creek going through the back of this property.
In addition to this, they will give to the City the southerly one half of a
street to extend from Alpine east to the intersection of the proposed street
near the creek, and also donate sufficient land to take care of an intersection
at this point. He stated, in his opinion, this would off -set any possible
increased costs as opposed to the other route.
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City Engineer Garing stated that there was not a great difference between
the two routes as far as engineering is concerned as long as the 800' radius is
maintained, but that there will be a conflict with the sewers, and that the
difference between the two routes would be the Woodland Drive intersection.
Public Works Director Anderson stated he felt the intersection at Woodland Drive
would be much more hazardous with Route #3 than Route #2. Mr. Kraatz stated that
the offer to donate half a street from Alpine included enough property to engineer-
design an intersection.
No further discussion for or against the Fair Oaks Extension Plan Line,
Chairman McMillen declared the hearing closed.
ATTEST:
After discussion, the following action was taken.
ABSENT: None
RESOLUTION NO. 68 -107 PL
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF
THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE RECOMMENDING
ADOPTION OF PLAN LINES ON FAIR OAKS AVENUE
On motion of Commissioner Strother, seconded by Commissioner Skelton, and
by the following roll call vote, to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Moss, Porter, St. Denis, Sawyer,: Skelton,
Strother and Chairman McMillen.
NOES: None
the foregoing resolution was adopted this 17th day of September, 1968.
Commissioner Strother stated that for the past ten years, ways and means
have been discussed with regard to preserving the agriculture which is the
foundation of our economy, and he was in favor of anything to help. keep good .
farm land.
Chairman McMillen commended Public Works Director Anderson, City Engineer
Garing and Planning Director Gallop for the excellent work they have done on
the proposals.
URBAN RESERVE :LINE.
Director Gallop advised that at the last Planning -Commission meeting he had .
informed the Commission that the County Commission had adopted.the Urban Reserve
Line, and that he had received a copy of the map adopted by the County. He .
advised that this was the same line which, two years ago, was discussed at a
joint meeting between this Commission and the County Planning Commission. He
suggested that since the County Planning Commission had adopted the map
officially, this Commission should also adopt it, to go on record recognizing
it has been adopted by the County Planning Commission. After discussion, on
motion of Commissioner Strother, seconded by Commissioner Skelton, and
unanimously carried, that approval be given the Urban Reserve Line as adopted
by the County Planning Commission.
Director Gallop stated that the County Planning Commission indicated
interest in another joint meeting with this Commission. Chairman McMillen
requested the Planning Director to check with the Chairman of the County
Planning Commission to see if they have any preference as to dates.
UNION OIL STATION AT HALCYON AND GRAND (POLIN)
Commissioner Moss asked if Mr. Polin had presented a plan for the develop-
ment of the property at Halcyon and Grand. Director Gallop stated that he has
until the next meeting to remove the building from the property.
ADJOURNMENT
Chairman McMillen declared the meeting adjourned at 8 :49.p.m.
Secretary Chair