PC Minutes 1968-09-03176
Planning Commission
Arroyo Grande, California
September 3, 1968
The Planning Commission met in regular session with Chairman McMillen presiding.
Present are Commissioners Moss, St. Denis, Sawyer., Skelton and Strother. Absent is
Commissioner Porter. Also in attendance are Councilman Smith, City Administrator
Butch, City Engineer Garing Public Works Director Anderson, and Planning Director
Gallop.
MINUTE APPROVAL
Commissioner Moss corrected the minutes of August 20, 1968, Page 2, Para. 4,
under the heading "PUBLIC HEARING - USE PERMIT CASE NO. 68 -128, PET AND HOBBY SHOP"
to read "Mr. Harold-Kjaerbye ", instead of "Mr. Harold Kirby "; and Commissioner
Strother corrected''the' under the heading "JONES AMBULANCE SERVICE= REQUEST
FOR DETERMINATION OF USE WITHIN A C -1 DISTRICT ", Paragraph 3, to include "a letter
has been received from Los Padres Ambulance Service stating they will remain in
service in Arroyo Grande indefinitely ", and thereafter, on motion of Commissioner
Sawyer, seconded by Commissioner Moss, and unanimously carried, the minutes of the
regular meeting of August 20, 1968 were approved as prepared and. corrected.
ARCHITECTURAL APPROVAL - BURKE AND PACE LUMBER CO., 917 BENNETT STREET
Plans of the proposed office building for Burke and Pace Lumber were submitted
to the Commission for approval. Mr. Roy Burke was present and stated Cedar Reverse
Board would be used for siding on the Street side of the building, and he would like
to use different types of wood siding for display purposes on the other sides of the
building. After a brief discussion, on motion of Commissioner Moss, seconded by
Commissioner Sawyer, and unanimously carried, that architectural approval be
granted to Burke and Pace Lumber Co. for new office building at 917 Bennett Street
in accordance with plans submitted.
REVIEW- USE PERMIT CASE NO. 67 -104 TIRE RECAP SHOP, 111 ALDER STREET
Director Gallop advised that two attempts had been made to investigate the
premises and that the building was locked on both occasions, and he has been unable
to get in touch with either of the two owners It was his feeling they apparently
were working on a limited schedule; Director. Gallop was directed to check further
and advise the Commission of his findings.
REVIEW - USE PERMIT CASE NO. 67-115 - LUCIA. MAR UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT
EDUCATIONAL UNITS - CORNER OF BELL AND BENNETT STREETS
Director Gallop advised that the School District is going to use the
educational units again this year. He stated the cond,itions.of the Use Permit
have been complied with and no complaints have been received, therefore, he could
see no need for further review.
LEAGUE OF CALIFORNIA CITIES
Director Gallop informed the Commission that notification had been received
from Administrator Butch advising that the League of California Cities state
meeting would be held in Los Angeles, Sunday through Wednesday, October 13th to
16th, and that money was budgeted for two members of the Commission to attend.
After discussion, the matter was carried over to the next meeting to determine
attendance at the meeting.
REQUEST FOR PERMISSION TO BE OUT OF STATE
Chairman McMillen advised he would be on vacation from September 23rd to
October lst and requested permission to be out of state during this period. On
motion of Commissioner Strother, seconded by Commissioner Moss, and unanimously
carried, that Chairman McMillen be granted permission to be out of the State
from September 23rd to October lst, 1968.
REPORT RE: COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION .
Director Gallop stated that he appeared before the County Planning Commission
Wednesday, August 26th, in respect to the Urban Reserve Line for Arroyo Grande.
He advised the County Planning Commission had adopted the Urban Reserve Line as
agreed upon by both Commissions,- subject to amendment at.a later time.
He also advised that the County Planning Commission considered the establish -
ment of a sanitary land fill approximately three miles east of Arroyo Grande, off
of Huasna Road, which was given approval subject to conditions established by
the County Health Department, and screening from the road so that it could not be
seen from the road.
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PUBLIC HEARING - CONTINUATION - FAIR OAKS EXTENSION PLAN LINE
Director Gallop advised that a letter had been received from Attorney Andrew
David indicating he would not be able to attend the meeting and requesting that
after the report has been submitted by City Engineer Garing and Director of Public
Works Anderson, that this Commission withhold any action so that he, and others
who are interested in this matter, can consider any alternatives, and have an
opportunity to study the report presented by Staff.
City Engineer Garing pointed out the approximate location of existing
property lines on the aerial photograph. He stated that the existing Plan Line
( #1), from the center of Halcyon Road to the intersection of Valley Road, submitted
and approved several years ago, was a straight and direct line from Halcyon.,Road
to Valley Road, .and because this particular plan line would not accomplish is
needed from a traffic standpoint, reconsideration -is being
Mr. Gaging stated the staff had proposed a Plan ,Line ( #2 in staff report)
from Halcyon Road across, the creek An very nearly a straight .line, and ending at
the intersection of the driveway into the school parking lot: He pointed out
that the main feature of this Plan Line is that it is considered as the most direct
route from the present extension of Fair Oaks Avenue to Valley Road,
Mr. Garing stated that the alternate Plan Line presented to the Planning
Commission by Mr, Grieb ( #3 in the staff report) involves more properties than
the staff recommendation of Plan Line No. 2. One of the suggestions was thzuse
of 600' radius. The minimum design radius for a 40 mile per hour speed limit
without the use of super elevation is 800' radius. He advised if a .radius
curve is used, it will necessitate super elevation of the road, which could cause
many problems. He explained that on a double reversing.curve,.it would take 150'
to bring the road back down to normal, and advised that the staff would not
recommend any less than 800' radius, which would also help to preclude, construction
problems. at a later date.
Mr. Garing pointed out some of the problems involved if Plan Line #3 were
adopted, such as the sewer trunk line, stating that no structure could be built
over the sewer trunk line, and it would also present a problem ':of,Woodland Drive
intersection. He stated that Plan Line #2 was part of the Select ,'System align-
ment and is in the Circulation Element of the General Plan.
Mrs Conrad Grieb was present and stated • she was representing the Grieb
family. She asked why the staff felt the Fair Oaks intersection 'intercepting
Valley Road was more dangerous than Fair Oaks Avenue intercepting . Halcyon Road. .
Mr. Gering stated the two intersections would be comparable in that both would
be "T" intersections, but that the heavy burden of traffic would be traveling
from Fair Oaks section of town. Mr. Grieb also asked the basis for the staff's
remark that Plan Line #2 would affect the least number of properties. Mr. Wring
stated it was the staff's feeling that this plan would have the least adverse
affect causing the least damages to the properties in general.
Mr. Stone Sa ruwa to r i was present and spoke in favor of the Grieb route .being
adopted, stating he has a problem with school children crossing through his
orchards at the sewer crossing, and he felt that if Plan Line #3 were adopted,
this problem would be eliminated.
After Commission discussion, on motion of Commissioner Strother, seconded
by Commissioner Sawyer, and unanimously carried, that the public hearing be
continued to the next Planning Commission meeting of September 1 1 at
7:45 P.M.
PUBLIC HEARING - USE PERMIT CASE NO, 68 -131 - JONES AMBULANCE SERVICE, 957 GRAND
Upon being assured by Director Gallop that the Public Hearing' Or Use Permit
Case No. 68 -131, Jones Ambulance Service, at 957 Grand Avenue, had been duly,
posted, published and property owners notified, Chairman McMillen declared the
hearing open.
Mr, David Flock, owner of Jones Ambulance Service, was present and stated
he felt the location on Grand Avenue did not present safety problems.. Mrs..
Ringo, 379 Pecan Place, was present and objected to the location as being unsafe
in school children catch the school bus in front of.Weather,bys Furniture
Store, which is in the same block as the. proposed location. She also felt At
would be hazardous for children coming from the theater and running down the
street in front of the driveway.
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Mrs.. Francis Fink, 546 Ide Street, was present and objected to the use, in
that she felt the location was unsafe.
Director Gallop advised that four letters had been received, three of which
objected to licensing, and one objected to the location because of safety factors
involved..
No further discussion for or against the request, Chairman McMillen declared
the hearing closed.
After discussion, the following action was taken.
RESOLUTION NO. 68 - 104 U
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE
CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE DENYING A USE PERMIT,
CASE NO. 68 -131
On motion of Commissioner Moss, seconded by Commissioner St. Denis, and by
the following roll vote to wit:
AYES: Commissioners Moss, St. Denis, Sawyer, Skelton, Strother and
Chairman McMillan
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Porter
the foregoing resolution was adopted this 3rd day of September, 1968.
In view of theUse Permit denial, Mr. Flock asked that they be allowed to
continue operations'at the 957 Grand,Avenue location .until they can find a more
suitable location. After Commission discussion, on motion of Commissioner Sawyer,
seconded by Commissioner Moss, .and.unanimously carried, that..Jones Ambulance
• Service be allowed to continue operation in the present location on :a temporary
basis, until the next Planning Commission meeting on September 17, •
obtain a clarification from City'Attorney Shipley with regard to his letter dated
August 14, 1968.
,PUBLIC HEARING RENAMING OF 25TH STREET .
Upon being assured by Director Gallop that the Public Hearing for renaming
of 25th Street had been duly published and .property owners notified, Chairman
McMillen declared the hearing open.
Mrs.. L. K, Jones of 1240 - 25th Street, was present and objected to the name
being .changed, stating that a petition had been submitted by the people on the
street indicating they would like the name to remain 25th Street. She stated
she believed the petition was signed in July. Director Gallop stated, to his
knowledge, the petition had never been received. He advised letters were sent
to the property owners on April 17, 1968, and that 17 replies.were received;
12 indicating a preference for Tierra Street, and 5 indicating a.preference.for
25th Street.. Mr. Gallop advised that there are only three numbered•streets In
the City, which are 20th, 25th and 24th Streets,. and the same numbered streets
are also in Oceano and perhaps Grover City, and have. caused confusion far
as emergency service is concerned. Mrs. Agnes Steinhoff, 1271 -25th Street, was
present and stated they had never experienced any problem as far as emergency
service is concerned.
No further discussion for or against the request, Chairman McMillen
declared the hearing closed. After discussion the following action was taken:
RESOLUTION NO. 68 -105
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF THE
CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE RECOMMENDING CHANGING THE
NAME OF 25TH STREET IN THE CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE.
On motion of Commissioner Moss, seconded by Commissioner Sawyer, and by
the following roll call vote, to wit;
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AYES: Commissioners Moss., St. Denis Skelton, Strother and
Chairman McMillen
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner Porter
the foregoing resolution was adopted this 3rd day of September, 1968.
PUBLIC HEARING - RENAMING OF 20TH STREET
Upon being assured by Director Gallop that the Public Hearing for renaming of
20th Street had been duly published and property owners notified, Chairman McMillen
declared the hearing open.
• Mr. Elmer Brackett, 382 -20th Street was present and stated the property owners
were in favor of changing the name of 20th Street to Courtland Street.
Director Gallop suggested that if the Commission takes action, the matter
should be coordinated with Grover City because it does involve both cities.
No further discussion for or against the request, Chairman McMillen declared
the hearing closed. After discussion, the following'a:ction was taken:
RESOLUTION NO., 68 -106
ATTEST:
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Secretary,
A RESOLUTION OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION OF`THE
CITY OF ARROYO GRANDE RECOMMENDING CHANGING THE
NAME OF 20TH STREET IN THE CITY OF ARROYO :GRANDE
On motion of Commissioner St. Denis, seconded by 'Commissioner Moss,: and by
the following roll call.vote, to wit
AYES: Commissioners Moss, St. Denis, Sawyer, :,Skelton, Strother and
Chairman McMillen
NOES: None
ABSENT: Commissioner. Porter
the foregoing resolution was adopted th'is'3rd.day o
ADJOURNMENT
Chairman McMillen declared the meeting'. adjourned a
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