Minutes 1997-07-08
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REGULAR MEETING OF THE ARROYO GRANDE CITY COUNCIL
TUESDAY, JULY 8, 1997
CITY COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 215 EAST BRANCH STREET
ARROYO GRANDE, CALIFORNIA
1. CALL TO ORDER
The City Council of the City of Arroyo Grande met in regular session at 7:30 p.m.,
with Mayor A. K "Pete" Dougall presiding.
2. AND 3. FLAG SALUTE AND INVOCATION
Katherine "Kay" Silva led the Flag Salute. The Rev. Jared Hoover, First
Assembly of God Church, Arroyo Grande, delivered the invocation.
4. ROLL CALL
Present with Mayor Dougall were Mayor Pro Tern Michael Lady and Council
Members Michael Fuller, Thomas A. Runels, and Steve Tolley. Staff members
present were City Manager Robert L. Hunt, City Attorney Timothy J. Carmel, City
Clerk Nancy Davis, Community Development Director Doreen Liberto-Blanck,
Public Works Director John Wallace, Associate Planner Helen Elder, Assistant
Public Works Director Craig Campbell, Director of Building and Fire Terry Fibich,
and Chief of Police Rick TerBorch.
5. SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS
Mayor Dougall accepted a plaque and the United Way Gold Award from
representatives of United Way.
Ms. Silva told about the work of the Arroyo Grande Hospital Auxiliary.
6. AGENDA REVIEW
City Manager Hunt said two supplements to Agenda Item 7.a. had been
distributed to the Council. They contained (1) a letter from Christy Taylor of
Shute, Mihaly et all pursuant to Council direction, (2) general correspondence,
(3) a log of phone calls received by City Administration, (3) a letter from Arnie
Wiese, Arroyo Grande Sizzler, Inc., and (4) a letter from Abe Delgado, Associate
Transportation Planner, Caltrans, and a response memorandum from City staff.
Mayor Dougall said the Council received booklets on the Central Coast Town
Center from AGRA, LLC, developers, and on the Central Coast Town Center
Retail Impact Analvsis on the City of Arrovo Grande from Kosmont & Associates,
Inc.
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6.A. RESOLUTIONS AND ORDINANCES READ IN TITLE ONLY
It was moved by Tolley/Runels and the motion passed unanimously that all
resolutions and ordinances presented at the meeting be read in title only and all
further reading be waived.
COUNCIL MEMBERS REACHED A CONSENSUS THAT AGENDA ITEMS 8.
AND 9. BE MOVED FORWARD ON THE AGENDA.
8. PUBLIC COMMENT PERIOD
Gaillightfoot of 849 Mesa Drive spoke to the Council about redevelopment and
presented the members with copies of Redevelooment: The Unknown
Government, published by Municipal Officials for Redevelopment Reform
(MORR).
9. CONSENT AGENDA
It was moved by Runels/Lady (5-0-0, with Runels, Lady, Fuller, Tolley, and
Dougall voting aye) to approve Agenda Items 9.a. through 9.j., with the
recommended courses of action.
9.a. Cash Disbursement Ratification. Approved.
9.b. Minutes of June 17 and 24,1997 Regular City Council Meetings. Approved.
9.c. Statement of Investment Deposit. Received and filed.
9.d. Cash Flow Analysis. Cash Report accepted and Interfund Advance
approved.
9.e. Adoption of a Resolution Authorizing the Temporary Closure of Pacific Coast
Railway Place North of Allen Street on August 9, 1997 for a Block Party.
Resolution No. 3243 Authorizing the Closure on August 9, 1997 For a Block
Party.
9.f. Authorization to Solicit Bids for Copiers - Administration and Police
Department. Staff authorized to solicit bids.
9.g. Award of Contract with David M. Griffith & Associates for Mandated Cost
Recovery . Council adopted Resolution No. 3244 Authorizing a Contract with
David M. Griffith & Associates, Ltd. For Mandated Cost Recovery Services.
9.h. Declaration of Surplus Property. Council adopted Resolution No. 3245
Declaring Items to be Placed on a Surplus list and Requesting Authorization for
Sale to Local Agencies or Private Parties at Public Auction.
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9.L Annual Transportation Development Act (TDA) Claim. Council adopted
Resolution No. 3246 Approving the 1997-1998 Annual Local Transportation Fund
Claims to the San Luis Obispo Council of Governments. ,
9.j. Authorization to Solicit Bids for the Purchase of a New Walking Line Striper.
Approved.
7, PUBLIC HEARING - APPEAL OF COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT
DIRECTOR'S DETERMINATION THAT A REVISED SITE PLAN CONFORMS
WITH THE COUNCIL-APPROVED SITE PLAN (CENTRAL COAST TOWN
CENTER - FORMERLY GENCOM'S GRAND PLAZA): APPELLANTS: ARNIE
WIESE AND TOM AND JANET TALBERT
Presenting copies of their remarks to the Council to be made a part of the record
of the meeting were Tom Talbert, 1015 Meadow Way, and Tony Ferrara, 759 Via
Bandolero, who spoke for the appellants; Howard Mankins, 200 Hillcrest Drive;
Orrin Cocks, 1457 Deer Canyon, and Daniel J. Villegas, 114 Via Bandolero.
Howard Mann of JLM Realty, representative of the owners and developers of the
Central Coast Town Center, presented to the Council boxes of newspaper
coupons and flyers filled out by citizens who support the project. He also
presented two petitions containing names of supporters and 12 letters of support.
He said the documents contained 980 signatures.
Community Development Director Liberto-Blanck began staff's presentation of
the Agenda Item. She recommended the Council, after closing the public
hearing, provide direction to staff. She gave a history of the project and said on
July 9, 1996, the City Council approved a shopping center up to 360,000 square
feet in size with 135 conditions of approval and 40 mitigation measures. She
said last autumn the new project proponents submitted different site plans, which
were found in substantial conformance with the one approved on July 9th. She
said that determination was appealed by Tom and Janet Talbert and on February
11 th the Council upheld the appeal. She said, after several redesigns by the
applicant, the Community Development Director found the plans were not in
substantial conformance and the applicant appealed that decision. She said on
April 29th the applicant submitted new revised site plans and withdrew his appeal.
She said the April 29th plan was found in substantial conformance by the Director
and that finding was appealed by Mr. and Mrs. Talbert on May 28th and Mr.
Wiese on May 23rd (with an addendum on June 11th).
Ms. Liberto-Blanck listed the reasons for the finding of substantial conformance
and discussed the differences between the July 9, 1996 and April 29, 1997 site
plans. She referred to the staff report discussion of the appeals and staff
responses. She listed alternative actions the Council could follow,
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Mayor Dougall said, in order to allow the public more time to speak, he would
limit the presentations of the appellants and the developer to 30 minutes each.
Council Member Tolley said he had a potential conflict of interest in this matter
and left the dais.
Appellant Wiese, president of Arroyo Grande Sizzler, Inc., said he formally
withdrew his appeal at 2:52 p.m. on July 8, 1997. He read his letter to the
Council stating that his concerns about the shopping center project had been
addressed and resolved by AGRA, LLC. He urged the Council to deny the
remaining appeal of staff's determination so that the Central Coast Town Center
could proceed to completion without further delay.
Appellant Talbert and Mr. Ferrara spoke to the Council and said their appeal was
based on:
1. Numerous and Significant Violations of the City's General Plan
2. Violations of the Map Act
3. Non-Compliance with the California Environmental Quality Act
4. Community Development Director Does Not Have the Authority to Approve
Changes That Are Not Minor in Nature
They listed changes (garden center, grocery store, lot lines, loading dock, new
intensity of use) made in the site plan since July 9, 1996; discussed the February
25, 1997 letter from the City to Caltrans District No.5; the March 13, 1997
response from Caltrans (through the Public Works Department); the July 2, 1997
letter from Higgins Associates to the Public Works Department; the January 28,
1997 letter from the Air Pollution Control District; the March 7, 1997 letter from
the City to the developer; the March 7, 1997 letter from Crawford, Multari & Starr
to the City, and remarks from CM&S on January 17 and February 10,1997.
Mr. Mann spoke to the Council and showed slides of the site plan for the
shopping center. He said the Council had certified the Environmental Impact
Report and fuJly-entitled the project on July 9, 1996. He said there was no basis
for reopening the discretionary approval process that was completed a year ago.
He said the Rancho Grande subdivision homeowners had signed disclosure
statements indicating the center would be commercial in nature.
Also speaking on behalf of the developers of the project were James L. Brock,
Environmental Planning Associates, Inc., who said the impacts were thoroughly
analyzed and there was no legal basis for reopening the CEQA process; Roy
Nakamura, Crane and Associates, who discussed on-site traffic issues; Frank
Honeycutt and Robert Marsh, RRM Design Group, who discussed off-site traffic
issues; Dr. Mark Schniepp, UCSB Economic Forecast Project, who discussed
the economic benefits to the City of the project, and Larry Kosmont, Kosmont &
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Associates, who discussed the $1 million in sales tax that he said would come to
the City.
After being assured that the Public Hearing had been duly published and all legal
requirements met, Mayor Dougall declared the hearing open and said all persons
would be heard regarding the matter.
Speaking in favor of the appeal were:
Frank and Susan Bruner, 758 Via Bandolero
Thomas Klein, 819 Via Vaquero
Gary Hagerty, 345 Alder Street
Karen Johnson, 1295 Hetrick Street
Travis and Catherine Evans, 270 Larchmont Drive
Chuck Braoner, Shell Beach
Orrin Cocks, 1457 Deer Canyon Road
Kathy Hughes, 547 Crovvn Hill
Sharon Beneviste, Paso Robles
Benedine Duffin, 1398 Newport Avenue
Richard Moore, 1854 Deer Canyon Road
Sonya Wagner, 509 Ide Street
Lori Rai, 501 Ide Street
Mr. Mankins, 200 Hillcrest Drive
Janet Scott, 520 Via Vaquero
Jean Wade, 750 Avenida De Diamante
Chris Ivey, Paso Robles
Ken Carr, 603 Taylor Place
Steve Wharton, 746 Via Bandolero
AI Agron, 528 Via Vaquero
Gary Andreini, 909 Robin Circle
Maurice Phillips, 158 Avenida De Diamante
Pat Dempsey, 436 Colada Corte
Nancy Stites, 487 Via Bandolero
Tara Webb, 577 Woodland Drive
Robert Blair, Arroyo Grande
Three citizens whose names were undiscemible
Speaking against the appeal were:
Marguerite Gillaspy, Oceano
Ted Aclan, 103 Equestrian Way
Jim Wolcott, Pismo Beach
Velma Harris, 677 Woodland Drive
Bob Kraus, Real Estate Manager for American Stores "Lucky-Savon"
Jim Cravens, 307 Whiteley
Evelyn Calhoun Tallman, 532 Carol Place
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Dick Franks, 879 Fair Oaks
Drew Brandy, 444 Toyon Place
Two citizens whose names were undiscernible
Others speaking were Otis Page, 606 Myrtle Street, and Camina Tripodi, Grover
Beach.
When no one further came forward to speak, Mayor Dougall closed the hearing
to the public and said the appellants and the developers 'NOuld be allowed to
speak one more time.
THE COUNCIL RECESSED FROM 10:45 TO 11:00 P,M.
Mayor Dougall thanked KGLO Radio for its coverage of the meeting and Hap
Harbert for arranging and monitoring the sound system for the meeting.
Speaking for the project applicants, Mr. Mann said the project is in substantial
conformance with the project approved July 9, 1996. He said the builders will
have to build what is on the design plan. Answering some questions and
charges brought up during the appellant and public testimony, he said Luckys
Stores has a 20 year lease; trucks will have to operate between the hours of 7:00
a.m. and 10:00 p.m.; the loading docks will be enclosed; a bond will be posted to
ensure compliance with landscaping plans, and the project will be built in one
phase before all the tenants move in. He said there were no General Plan
violations and no violations of the Map Act. He said a $1 million traffic mitigation
fee would be paid.
Also speaking were consultants for the developers, as follows:
Larry Musil, AlA, Architect, Musil, Govan, Azzalino, Inc.;
Ken Kammeyer, Landscape Architect, Kammeyer & Associates;
Dr. Schniepp, Economic Outlook for San Luis Obispo County, UCSB Economic
Forecast Project, and
Mr. Kosmont, Economics, Kosmont & Associates.
Council Members Fuller and Runels and Mayor Pro Tern Lady asked questions
about figures and conclusions reached concerning the economics of the project
and benefits to the City.
COUNCIL MEMBERS REACHED A CONSENSUS TO EXTEND THE MEETING
PAST THE HOUR OF MIDNIGHT.
Speaking for the appellants were Jana Zimmer, attorney, who said there were
significant changes in the revised site plan and asked that it be referred back to
the Planning Commission. She objected to some documents in the developers'
book that she said needed to be analyzed by staff and the public. She said they
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were new documents dated July 8, 1997, from Crain & Associates,
Environmental Planning Associates, and Dr. Schniepp. She said, with regard to
the Shute, Mihaly & Weinberger letter, she had never seen an attorney pre-judge
an issue prior to a hearing. She said the Council did have discretion to say yes,
no, or maybe, or refer the matter back to the Planning Commission.
Also speaking on behalf of the appellants was Mr. Ferrara, who agreed with Ms.
Zimmer on the Shute, Mihaly & Weinberger letter. He said economic studies
show that after three years the benefits of having a Wal-Mart in the City
decrease.
Mr. Villegas referred to the Dr. Schniepp's report and said a Wal-Mart is not the
only thing that can cause an increase in sales; they can be caused by business
cycles and other factors.
Mr. Talbert thanked the Council for the time and work it had spent with the
Citizens Committee for Responsible Development.
Elizabeth Watson, attorney for the developers, said this is a fully entitled project
approved last July and presumably all the issues that were raised at this meeting
were raised last year because those issues YJere addressed by the conditions of
approval and extensive mitigation measures.
Mayor Dougall said the Council would now begin discussion of the appeal.
Mayor Pro Tern Lady gave a history of his actions with regard to the
development. He said he voted against the project on July 9, 1996 and saw
nothing to change his position. He said he could not support the project.
Council Member Runels said Arroyo Grande had always stayed on the sidelines
with regard to retail business and being progressive. He said with aU the
information the Council had received, it appeared it would be an advantage to go
ahead with the project.
Council Member Fuller said one substantial confonnance issue for him was a lot
line change which accommodated a larger grocery/drug store. He said additional
review is needed to make an educated decision.
Mayor Dougall said no more studies of the project are needed. He said this
developer cannot solve all the traffic problems in the City. He said for 20 years
the City had "chased the same breadcrumbs and never got to grandma's house."
He urged the Council to go forward with the project.
It was moved by Lady/Fuller (3-1-1, with Lady, Fuller, and Runels voting aye;
Dougall voting no, and Tolley abstaining) to postpone a decision on the appeal
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and allow a minimum of two public hearings at the Planning Commission to make
recommendations to the Council regarding the following:
1. Based on what is now known (tenants), are the "s~atements of overriding
consideration" still valid?
2. Based on known tenants (th~ use), a recala.dation of the traffic impad fees [
based on our current General Plan Circulation Bement.
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3. Alternatives to the size and location of the grocery store and darification of
the Map Act regarding the lot line adjustment.
4. Alternatives to relocating the loading docks so they are not dose to residents.
12. COUNCIL COMMUNICATIONS
None.
13. STAFF COMMUNICATIONS
None.
14. ADJOURNMENT
It was moved by RunelslLady and the motion passed unanimously to adjourn the
meeting at 12:45 a.m.
A. K. "PETE" DOUGAL MAYOR
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NANC~S, CITY CLERK
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