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Minutes 1987-09-15 SP MINUTES STUDY SESSION OF THE CITY COUNCIL TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 15, 1987 COUNCIL CHAMBERS, 215 E. BRANCH STREET ARROYO GRANDE, CALIFORNIA The City Council met for a Study Session on the Rancho Grande Shopping Center at 3:30 P.M., with Mayor Howard Mankins presiding. Present were Council Members Dorace Johnson, Mark M. Millis, Gene Moots and D. G. Porter. Mayor Mankins opened the meeting. Lindley Miller of Terranomics, developers of the shopping center, introduced Neal Liddicott of Barton- Aschman Associates, Inc., traffic engineers for the project. Mr. Liddicott distributed to the City Council "Proposed Lane Configurations and Level of Service - Ramp Option and Bridge Option." He compared the two options, (1) a two to three lane bridge from Hillcrest to Camino Mercado costing $2\ to $3 million, and (2) Highway 101 hook ramps at Camino Mercado. He said all intersections are designed to operate at A, Band C traffic levels. He said there is not a lot of difference between the two plans costwise. Mayor Mankins said the City is considering the second bridge over the freeway to help with the emergency vehicle situation. He objected to the bridge lining up to Camino Mercado. Mr. Miller said a certain amount of land is needed for the entrance to the bridge. Mr. Liddicott said Caltrans prefers that location. Council Member Moots said he did not agree with that location for the bridge. He and Mayor Mankins said that improving the Oak Park Intersection would only solve problems already there. They said the Rancho Grande center would create more traffic. Council Member Millis said the engineers have not presented an adequate solution. He said hook ramps are needed but two hook ramps should not cost as much as $1 million. Mr. Liddicott said that Oak Park Boulevard is the place to put more lanes across the freeway. Mayor Mankins said traffic should be evenly distributed throughout the City. Fire Chief Douglas Hamp said additional access across the City is needed, and there is room for expaninding and widening [1 Camino Real. , City Manager Robert Mack discussed reversing the angle of the bridge, and said there may be other options also. Mayor Mankins said overcrossings in Santa Barbara tie in to frontage roads. There was further discussion of the overcrossing versus the hook ramps/improvement at Oak Park Intersection. Mr. Miller suggested that the City allow the project, and when it receives the income generated by sales taxes, solve the traffic problems at that time. He said Terranomics could contribute as much as $1 million toward improving the Oak Park Interchange. Council Member Porter said the freeway hook ramps suggested do not solve southbound traffic problems. Council Member Moots asked Terramonics what it was planning to do about Rancho Grande traffic problems. He said improving Oak Park Intersection only solves problems the City has today. Mayor Mankins said he is interested in an overcrossing moved to the south, and Mr. Mack said that would help address southbound traffic and relieve the Brisco Undercrossing situation. Peter Miller, representing Rancho Grande, said that may be just moving the problems south, and there still may be bottlenecks at Oak Park Boulevard and Halcyon Road. CITY COUNCIL SEPTEMBER 15, 1987 ARROYO GRANDE, CALIFORNIA PAGE TWO There was discussion of bridge alternatives, and Mr. Lindley Miller said the engineers would come back with other designs. In answer to Council Member Johnson, Mr. Liddicott said 15~ feet are required for clearance at the entrance of the bridge. Council Member Johnson brought up the matter of the traffic study statistics. She said she would be sending the engineers some projections for Highway 101. David Naggar of Terranomics said he was concerned with the "trust factor," and that Mr. Liddicott is a foremost traffic engineer. There was further discussion of outdated figures in the study. Mayor Mankins stressed that Los Angeles and San Francisco traffic standards are not acceptable in Arroyo Grande. Traffic ratings were discussed, and the various levels were explained by Mr. Lindley Miller. Council Member Millis left the meeting at 4:45 P.M. Council Member Porter asked the developers to plan for Rancho Grande Traffic without consideration of improving the Oak Park Intersection. He said to talk with Caltrans, but not to count on it solving the problem for a number of' years. Mayor Mankins asked the engineers to design the overcrossing to the south of the previous design, using accurate statistics, and to solve the southbound traffic problem. Mr. Lindley Miller asked if the City would participate in costs of an overcrossing. Mayor Mankins said it is too premature to discuss that matter. Mr. Liddicott said he may come back with an alternative that is too costly. Council Member Johnson said she still would like to see all the alternatives. The meeting was adjourned at 5:10 P.M. CITY CLERK